CNS recovery as the limiting factor/weak link?
- 10-11-2012, 04:42 PM
CNS recovery as the limiting factor/weak link?
so i am 3 months into training as an older man with a lot of knowledge, but limited by genetic auto-immunity. what i've found is that during my bodyweight/gymnastics-oriented training sessions (currently 90 minutes 3x a week) i am rarely able to get to muscular or cardiovascular fatigue because my nervous system fails first. let's be more specific in that its a combination of joints, tendons, ligaments and nervous system failure.
currently i am bombarding my system with every joint supplement i can find: 5-loxin, paractin, cissus, cordygen5, sorenzyme, avoca asu, athletes joint restore/eggshell membrane/collagen, hylaraunic acid, true slow cooker bone broth gelatin... the list goes on
plus im taking choline, dmae, nalt, chocamine, racetams, carnitines, etc to ramp up my cns so that i can actually have some measure of control and sustainability during these workouts
the day after training i am BENT and am very sore and depressed, i mean i know my cns is just beat dead. i am doing everything i think of, but there's really no way i am ever going to get good if i am training this little, and with recovery and cns fatigue limiting me so much.
- 10-11-2012, 07:50 PM
How old are you? First thing I would look at is diet. You're taking a ton of supps so I doubt anything else will do much good (short of AAS). How many calories are you eating? How much protein and carbohydrate?
Also, how much sleep are you getting?
10-11-2012, 07:59 PM
From experience any day after I do heavy lift like deads or squats I make it a mission to get up and go for a nice 1-2 mile walk just to help get dopamine receptors up....you might be a candidate for high cortisol levels after the gym so something like endoamp or any PS will help...the other trick and it works is get some good ole L-tyrosine and some DL-phenyalanine. Until you do a full hormone panel it's hard to tell but it sounds like your just beating the **** out of yourself.
My friend Jim Laird covers what you are talking about very well.
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10-12-2012, 01:49 AM
This doesn't sound like CNS fatigue, especially given your training. You may want to talk to a physician about your T levels and such
10-12-2012, 03:44 AM
i average about 150-200g of protein a day, maybe 200-500g carbs it depends on how i feel. i eat for fuel and to answer the signals my body is giving me. i basically imagine eating certain foods and my body tells me yes or no. for instance when i get really fatigued and depressed, my body wants a bolus of healthy fats with a bit of sugars and a bit or protein. some times it wants heavy protein, low everything else. sometimes it just wants salted water.
my sleep is sometimes erratic, even with my heavy daily meditation practice. i also work in a nightclub 2-4x a week and that throws off the rhythm. lately i have been forcing myself to go back to sleep after i wake up in the morning because recently when i didn't, i would feel sleep deprived later on.
10-12-2012, 03:57 AM
sadly, most docs are willing to take all my money and give very vague answers and even less results. frankly i dont have the money left to play that game with them. if i did, i would.
the fact is that i probably have crohn's disease (of which there are 5 types), but cannot afford the biopsy. because my symptoms and some lab tests are so similar to other a.i. and chronic diseases, it's too easy to fall down a rabbit hole. most ppl with crohn's have some secondary disease as well, such as rheumatoid arthritis. i probably got IBD because of severe childhood stresses and traumas, and then continually eating the wrong foods out of ignorance.
if i do have low T, it's likely due to all the cellular inflammation from this IBS/IBD problem and all the downstream effects. i have thought about trying out AAS in the future, once i've exhausted other avenues.
as far as where to go from here? i do supplement currently with division 1 for the shbg, and things like cissus, daa, alcar, and super saponins/trib - i can definitely notice the saponic effects increasing my test, in ways that just increasing dopamine does not (i have take 1-carboxy, mucuna, nalt, tyrosine and others to just raise dopamine and i do respond favorably to pro-dopamine/anti-serotonin strategies)
je ne sais quois? i am in the best place ive been since the bottom fell out 6 years ago, so i cant complain, but i would like to keep improving, and this forum has helped immensely since ppl are willing to go further out there than the paleo or straight nutrition camps. i do wish there was more of an herbal bent though, as i've had good results with some extract chinese tonic herbs that aren't marketed towards the workout crowd.
10-12-2012, 04:11 AM
Just generally speaking, inflammatory conditions can cause a whole host of symptoms, most prominently the fatigue you mentioned.
10-12-2012, 12:23 PM
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