Thoughts on PNI Paragon?
- 10-01-2012, 07:00 PM
- 10-01-2012, 07:16 PM
10-01-2012, 07:20 PM
With that being said let me know if you would like to personally try the product. If we did not stand behind our products 110% we would rely on fancy marketing and not word of mouth advertising. Based on NutraP's first week sales I think many people like what we have to offer.
Thanks everyone who has posted in this thread regardless of negativity. We welcome nay sayers as it makes the industry grow stronger!!!!
10-01-2012, 08:52 PM
All posts by mattys4 are the result of a very creative imagination and should not be considered advice nor taken seriously
10-01-2012, 08:59 PM
Nice your lucky broOriginally Posted by mattys4
10-01-2012, 09:17 PM
10-01-2012, 09:28 PM
Also I'm not even trying to be negative, I actually want to try this product. Just scares me when companies dont test their products, which is common with a lot of small companies.
10-01-2012, 10:05 PM
10-01-2012, 10:28 PM
I don't but there's people on here who does understand and there excitement after seeing such information holds more value than your word. The supplement industry is tainted stop the holy innocent Christian act cause its sad a grown man going the sad puppy face route as oppose to providing what a potential customer wants to see whether u feel its worthless or notOriginally Posted by Celorza
U willing to pay for blood runs an ship out free bottles but won't show paperwork
10-02-2012, 01:42 AM
COAs can be faked, and I highly doubt they want to show their source nor the lab that tested it. So in turn all you get is a document with a bunch of numbers saying that it is what they say it is.
If they're A.) Willing to pay for bloods and B.) Answering questions about their extraction procedures then it's enough for me to trust them and run one, or a few of their products.
Most companies don't even bother to show their face on the forums, and even further most use one or two ingredients in efficacious dosages in their products.
I'm pretty impressed by PNI's formulations, I was expecting to see the typical lack-luster, proven ineffective ingredients that I've grown accustomed too from new companies...
If you're skeptical, remain skeptical till more user feedback comes back on their products or take the plunge and decide for yourself.
However, I will say that I do know it took another reputable companies a significant amount of time to find a reliable NDMA source so I am curious how long it took you to find your source, if it is the same source, and the pricing difference...
10-02-2012, 02:26 AM
Most companies don't post or attain a COA for every batch, therefore they could have a legit first batch, but nothing but bunk after.
It's pretty unfair and ridiculous to think that a big name = trustworthy. Gaspari, muscle tech, BSN, etc are all junk but big names.
Every company is new at one time and PNI has been extremely generous with logs and now willing to pay for bloods of some people. If they were terrified of being exposed they probably wouldn't be so willing to expose themselves. A little skepticism is healthy, your levels are absurd.
10-02-2012, 04:17 AM
10-02-2012, 06:27 AM
10-02-2012, 06:50 AM
First off I didn't give my word for anything, I am not paying for anything and I hold no studies. That's PNI , not me. Second COAs are bought and payed for all the time and he even revealed the extracts knowing very well that he can be copied for it.Originally Posted by squatting
And like you said, you don't understand this anyway so no reason for me to waste time on you. For your info also, I don't believe in a God at all neither do I believe in the good of men, yet I wanna start doing so more only if I saw proof humanity was worth it again .
>SNS-Glycophase<Serious Nutrition Solutions Rep
10-02-2012, 08:16 AM
You stated in your first post here " I stand by this company,i know the owner and ceo" ..something along those lines.Originally Posted by Celorza
Me i would never put my name or word on something especially if i havent had many expieriences with a product or new company.If PNI winds up being bogus ****,well as a rwp iy can make ya word look,not so solid.
You mean well,thats respected. But like stated the supp industry is shady .i been doing this a while.I have friends and a brother doing it even longer and have said most 99.99% of supps are bogus.The ones are solid u stick.
Technically all u need is some caffeiene,food and creatine and your legit.
But best of luck to pni
10-02-2012, 08:19 AM
10-02-2012, 09:31 AM
Again...I repeat it , I did not promise anything , it was Chad and PNI , not me.
>SNS-Glycophase<Serious Nutrition Solutions Rep
10-02-2012, 10:14 AM
This. I beta tested it and it really was the best pre-workout I've used. Better than Craze and Focus XT, which are two reputable companiesOriginally Posted by JonRubio
10-02-2012, 10:24 AM
10-02-2012, 10:37 AM
I stand corrected..but i never meant u were a pni rep,i meant u are a rep in general and said u stand by them.i was just saying if they flop,ur word as a rep can falter....Originally Posted by Celorza
10-02-2012, 03:50 PM
That's very faulty logic. Because someone backs a company that initially provides good services but then flops/falls apart has no bearing on one's word. You cannot be responsible for that and therefore cannot have your word devalued.Originally Posted by Jay888999
If he was a rep for them then there are mixed intentions
10-02-2012, 04:04 PM
No but telling ppl " i stand behind this company and they put out solid **** as i have spoken to the ceo" ..well ur putting ur word on something because u like someone,if it falters that can absolutley make ppl question somebody.I dnt put my name or rep in anything unless im 100% sold on itOriginally Posted by jamesm11
10-02-2012, 06:38 PM
Interesting read. Products look solid, goodluck PNI
10-05-2012, 05:47 AM
10-05-2012, 05:50 AM
[email protected] and we can look into this for you.
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