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    Quote Originally Posted by ProOne View Post
    Good point Coop....I was mistakenly thinking this was there pre workout until I just looked at it
    Ahh makes sense.

    NMDA is likely inferior for elevating testosterone since it doesn't affect StaR in the testes, but the 30mg dose will minimize GI issues for those who are prone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Ahh makes sense.

    NMDA is likely inferior for elevating testosterone since it doesn't affect StaR in the testes, but the 30mg dose will minimize GI issues for those who are prone.
    Hey Coop,

    I always enjoy your insight. I would love to see your source/reference on this statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigswole30 View Post
    Hey Coop,

    I always enjoy your insight. I would love to see your source/reference on this statement.

    Thanks,

    Chad
    Which statement? DAA has a high tissue deposition in testes as per the human/rat trials, and it activates StaR (again, same trial).
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    As with anything new there is a growth/trust period they have to go thru. You guys say you only trust other companies that "have been around and earned your trust". Well hello, they had to earn that with putting out products that were bought and run initially. Yes there is hype and this goes hand in hand with anything being sold. PNI will have to earn my trust as well but from some of the reviews I've seen so far they are getting things done. If they are legit then they will be around and establish themselves as one of those "companies you trust". Time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    As with anything new there is a growth/trust period they have to go thru. You guys say you only trust other companies that "have been around and earned your trust". Well hello, they had to earn that with putting out products that were bought and run initially. Yes there is hype and this goes hand in hand with anything being sold. PNI will have to earn my trust as well but from some of the reviews I've seen so far they are getting things done. If they are legit then they will be around and establish themselves as one of those "companies you trust". Time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigswole30 View Post

    Hey Coop,

    I always enjoy your insight. I would love to see your source/reference on this statement.

    Thanks,

    Chad
    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Which statement? DAA has a high tissue deposition in testes as per the human/rat trials, and it activates StaR (again, same trial).
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post

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    From what I've seen coop actually supports paragon he's a very knowledgable guy so that always makes me feel good
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigswole30 View Post

    In regards to the above. Sorry for the delayed reply addressing these points.

    For Euonymus, we used an aqueous bark extract, at 20:1 concentration. (High in polysacharrides and triterpene/steroidal glycosides.) This is exactly consistent with the extract used in the only study which examined the effects of Euonymus Alatus on aromatase. For Urtica, we used a full-spectrum aqueous root extract. We can't claim 98% standardization to 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran - but, as we've all learned, most of those companies who have claimed to have a 98% extract were sorely mistaken. The extract we use in Paragon comes from a reputable source, seems to be highly effective, and is dosed properly.


    As far as Vitamin K is concerned, we believe that it should have an effect, as long as the dose is high enough. The mechanisms of action are intriguing, particularly its effects on P450scc expression, and this may synergize well with the rest of the formula. It seems to work dramatically well in animal experiments, and the doses we use have been shown to be safe in humans. There's a big chance that it'll do a lot of good; there's a small chance that it won't help at all; but there's no chance that taking it could ever hurt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post

    I'm taking in march as a stand alone with my TRT. my levels r stable on TRT n I can gauge if / what a product does through my bloods and obviously mirror, other effects. I'll bs sure to post as much info as I can.
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    I'm assuming this is a powerful enough AI to include it in an 8 weeks on / 4 off scheme.. Example:

    Week 1-4: paragon
    Week 5-8: triazole
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    I'm assuming this is a powerful enough AI to include it in an 8 weeks on / 4 off scheme.. Example:

    Week 1-4: paragon
    Week 5-8: triazole
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    I'll jump in on this.. Yes you are correct. Interested on how this will work for you.
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    Can this be used as a stop gap in between ABE runs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Engineer View Post
    Can this be used as a stop gap in between ABE runs?

    Why not just leave the gap?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Why not just leave the gap?
    Because I'm running ArA with ABE. ArA dosed preworkout only with 4 workouts a week totals to 12.5 weeks. This leaves me running ArA solo for 4.5 weeks after the ABE run. I'd like to maximize my time on ArA by taking something like a natty test booster (like ABE) for last 4 weeks, possibly extending it to 8. I'm also looking at Mass FX Black and Prime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Engineer View Post
    Because I'm running ArA with ABE. ArA dosed preworkout only with 4 workouts a week totals to 12.5 weeks. This leaves me running ArA solo for 4.5 weeks after the ABE run. I'd like to maximize my time on ArA by taking something like a natty test booster (like ABE) for last 4 weeks, possibly extending it to 8. I'm also looking at Mass FX Black and Prime.

    I would run the ABE than.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Engineer View Post
    Because I'm running ArA with ABE. ArA dosed preworkout only with 4 workouts a week totals to 12.5 weeks. This leaves me running ArA solo for 4.5 weeks after the ABE run. I'd like to maximize my time on ArA by taking something like a natty test booster (like ABE) for last 4 weeks, possibly extending it to 8. I'm also looking at Mass FX Black and Prime.

    Stick with the ABE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dlucks View Post
    Hmmm well hopefully the owner can post some sort testing results for the ingredients. Then I will probably buy a couple bottles
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    I don't want to surpass the 8 week max requirement for ABE, and I'm already in my 3rd of week of it. That's why I was thinking of running Paragon once it's finished. Any other suggestions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Engineer View Post
    Can this be used as a stop gap in between ABE runs?
    Yeah sounds pretty perfect to me bro any questions you can post on here or email me ricky@pni-online.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by howwedo107 View Post

    Yeah sounds pretty perfect to me bro any questions you can post on here or email me ricky@pni-online.com
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