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ONs Platinum pre workout..Whats everyones take. i always liked ON,seem to make solid products.I have no complaints and never did.
dude,i knew u were going to be first to answer,lmao and thats all i need to hear..I def wasnt thrilled buy it.but wanted confirmation.Garbage lol
nothing special about it...citrulline , DMAE and cap?...meh...much better pre's out there...I'd purchase it to try it out. Looks good to me.
None... Ever...???No ON formulation has ever been good
So have muscle tech and muscle pharm lol doesn't mean they are good, just means better marketing for people without the slightest idea of supplements hahaON been around for a long while.They are apparently doing something correct.
None... Ever...???
The companies that have "been around for a long while" are the ones that make me shudderON been around for a long while.They are apparently doing something correct.
Care to name one?
Their complex, hydrowhey/builder, amino energy, they have pretty competitive creatine (creapure), their recovery 211. These are not products I currently take although have tried em. Just because you don't like the company doesn't mean there products are garbage. A countless amount of my clients have used their products and experience tremendous results.
I hate MT...but to be honest,id put ON above MT and MP ans BSN and Bpi...to be honest.There products are decent man. Not saying every product is great but there solid,more solid than the name mentioned above,way moreSo have muscle tech and muscle pharm lol doesn't mean they are good, just means better marketing for people without the slightest idea of supplements haha
I forgot your knowledge base surpasses that of ALL the formulations put together by the ON team. No where did i say they are the best, as in my eyes i feel they don't even compete with the best, but their stuff works.LivFit keep enjoying your placebo gains from user dosed Aminos and "OH SO NECESSARY PROTEIN SHAKE GAINERS!!" and please forget this conversation ever happened lol
That's the point to make gains, whichever works for you, hence I said forget it. On the formulations note, remember it is a business, and it is cheaper to sell cheap garbage to the uneducated masses and market it as a great novelty human greed and the forever need for money is why I'm right, aside my knowledge like you mentioned. Good day to you!I forgot your knowledge base surpasses that of ALL the formulations put together by the ON team. No where did i say they are the best, as in my eyes i feel they don't even compete with the best, but their stuff works.
Placebo or not as long as they make gains!
Ha yep you've figured it out... (Much to learn)That's the point to make gains, whichever works for you, hence I said forget it. On the formulations note, remember it is a business, and it is cheaper to sell cheap garbage to the uneducated masses and market it as a great novelty human greed and the forever need for money is why I'm right, aside my knowledge like you mentioned. Good day to you!
All love in this brotherhood!!! It's all about growing here!I have to say i have u can win in an argument against Celorza,while he is very educated and smart when it comes to this scientific thing,he is also very stubborn and wont let u win even if u are right,lmao. But he is a good sude with strong opinions and has helpes me out with some great supplementing tips!
Celly,my brotha its all love man.
I know when I'm wrong, their stuff is basic and maybe not the best quality, the price they wanna sell it at and the marketing is what makes it garbage bro...like I said it is all about making gains and whatever works for you, no matter what I think, is what counts...I'll simply always debate an overpriced, or overhyped or misleading product...I have to say i have u can win in an argument against Celorza,while he is very educated and smart when it comes to this scientific thing,he is also very stubborn and wont let u win even if u are right,lmao. But he is a good sude with strong opinions and has helpes me out with some great supplementing tips!
Celly,my brotha its all love man.
your welcome manI know when I'm wrong, their stuff is basic and maybe not the best quality, the price they wanna sell it at and the marketing is what makes it garbage bro...like I said it is all about making gains and whatever works for you, no matter what I think, is what counts...I'll simply always debate an overpriced, or overhyped or misleading product...
And thanks Jay
Yes, marketing. That's about it.ON been around for a long while.They are apparently doing something correct.
EatASteak 250So what is the best WHEY protein ?
Best all around Supp provder, would like to know, Thanks
Not Whey...EatASteak 250
Some would say EatASteak Max is betterEatASteak 250
Broccolidrol stacks well with that I heardSome would say EatASteak Max is better
Yes, but you have to watch your dosing so you don't get too much cruciferocityBroccolidrol stacks well with that I heard
This ^Yes, but you have to watch your dosing so you don't get too much cruciferocity
Hydrowhey and builder are awful. Amino energy is one of the worst amino acid supplements available. Anyone can make a bulk creatine. And 2:1:1 is again awful unless you're an athlete with multiple glycogen depleting events daily.I actually do like ON, so please don't try to make this something personal. My judgments are objective, and your clients' results have nothing to do with the usage of ON supplements.Care to name one?Their complex, hydrowhey/builder, amino energy, they have pretty competitive creatine (creapure), their recovery 211. These are not products I currently take although have tried em. Just because you don't like the company doesn't mean there products are garbage. A countless amount of my clients have used their products and experience tremendous results.
Look at the new MT products. They blow away any ON formulationsI hate MT...but to be honest,id put ON above MT and MP ans BSN and Bpi...to be honest.There products are decent man. Not saying every product is great but there solid,more solid than the name mentioned above,way more
Optimen is a woeful multivitamin with misdosed and inferior forms. The fish oil has rather low EPA/DHA content, and anyone can make ZMA. Their protein is good; doesn't taste great, but it is quality.your welcome manOn can be over priced,in a sense..There multi is good and use it often and always woek in conjunction with what i use.There protein is good as well,i have uses it many times.Fish oil and ZMA is priced fair and not bad either.ON is good for the basic simple things..But,if u are looking for serious gains then they arent the company and i agree with that.
I actually will.For a long time,i was very anti MT and really still am.But now that you mention it.Im curious.Look at the new MT products. They blow away any ON formulations
For sure, there is no doubt MT's older products were heavily marketed junk, but the new stuff is well-dosed and non-proprietary (albeit pricy).I actually will.For a long time,i was very anti MT and really still am.But now that you mention it.Im curious.
Srs?Look at the new MT products. They blow away any ON formulations
What's with the insane dose of geranium and yohimbine in those?!?!?!?Yes
For instance,
Synephrine is worthless preworkout. Creatine has no place in a preworkout. Caffeine is not a solo stim in any of the formulas and n-methyl-PEA is bunk.Not impressed, caffeine content is too high and that as a solo stim doesn't excite me. Some n-methyl-PEA or however you say that would be nice and some synephrine 30% would be nice too. I like less caffeine and another stim added; where is the creatine in there as well?
Yohimbe =/= yohimbine and geranium =/= 1,3 dimethylamylamineWhat's with the insane dose of geranium and yohimbine in those?!?!?!?
your welcome man
On can be over priced,in a sense..There multi is good and use it often and always woek in conjunction with what i use.There protein is good as well,i have uses it many times.Fish oil and ZMA is priced fair and not bad either.ON is good for the basic simple things..But,if u are looking for serious gains then they arent the company and i agree with that.
Mt tried and sell there product off cutlers face more than anything at one point,which made me sick. Cutler never impresed me,so being muscle tech had him,cant say I was shocked!For sure, there is no doubt MT's older products were heavily marketed junk, but the new stuff is well-dosed and non-proprietary (albeit pricy).
thats like i said,there doing something right.they been around a minute manAlso a lot of people like flashy bottles and labels and 15 different ingredients that are barely pronounceable and ON just doesn't have that. I guess if your into that that's ok. ON does have fairly decent pricing on creatine and they have great quality protein. I don't often buy their products but when I do I use the Pro Complex protein or the creatine. I'm not going change my opinion of a company based other peoples belief that their products are "garbage" though. I've seen very little hype and marketing with ON products compared to a lot of other companies, so I really don't believe it is marketing that kept them around so long.
They were giving out some samples last I saw...ONs Platinum pre workout..Whats everyones take. i always liked ON,seem to make solid products.I have no complaints and never did.
Yeah, there's a pretty funny video on youtube where Cutler struggles to keep a straight face while talking about his daily routine. "Postworkout I take 3 scoops of Cell-tech and 2 scoops of Nitro-tech."Mt tried and sell there product off cutlers face more than anything at one point,which made me sick. Cutler never impresed me,so being muscle tech had him,cant say I was shocked!
When? The caffeine will peob give me some energy,but in general i wouldnt expect anything to serious,but woukdnt mind trying a fee samples for **** sake.They were giving out some samples last I saw...
Lmao,its a joke man...i have a few of his dvds and he is always mentioning how on long flights he always has muscle tech proetein,w.e the **** its called with him for when he cant get a meal in. I will have to look for that video man,i cant stand him,hes arrogant and it annoys me and his genetics suck,so i dont know what id make of it to be honest,lolYeah, there's a pretty funny video on youtube where Cutler struggles to keep a straight face while talking about his daily routine. "Postworkout I take 3 scoops of Cell-tech and 2 scoops of Nitro-tech."