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    From my knowlwdge BA and Taurine work against each other.I only supp wit one or the other
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999
    From my knowlwdge BA and Taurine work against each other.I only supp wit one or the other
    I believe that's very overblown. They do compete for the same receptors but at the doses we're talking about its not a big deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLaQz
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    Not bad...looks like a good dose of citrulline and beta alanine. It would depend on how much...what is this? Id add some cop and maybe bcaas
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLaQz View Post
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    Vitamin C should be away from any Peri Workout scenario since it hinders Hypertrophy. Prop blend seems to make the dosages low for Citrulline anyway.

    Too few BA in contrast to the Taurine dosage and not enough Magnesium anyway...And Creatine Monohydrate has nothing to do Pre-workout.
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    So at $14 for 40 servings, is it worth it? I'd be taking it with DAA, Erase, Kre-alkalyn & MusclePharm amino1 bcaa...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    Vitamin C should be away from any Peri Workout scenario since it hinders Hypertrophy. Prop blend seems to make the dosages low for Citrulline anyway.

    Too few BA in contrast to the Taurine dosage and not enough Magnesium anyway...And Creatine Monohydrate has nothing to do Pre-workout.
    I think the cit dose should be good right? It's l cirrullene not cit mal so the necessary dose is lower...
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    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    I think the cit dose should be good right? It's l cirrullene not cit mal so the necessary dose is lower...
    How can you know from a Prop-Blend? Also for L-Citrulline my opinion is that 3g are needed for a proper dosage. Alas how is a 3.19g dosage of a blend including it enough? Seeing how many companies like adding at least .5g of Vit C to their blends (still beats me why they do that though).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    Vitamin C should be away from any Peri Workout scenario since it hinders Hypertrophy. Prop blend seems to make the dosages low for Citrulline anyway.

    Too few BA in contrast to the Taurine dosage and not enough Magnesium anyway...And Creatine Monohydrate has nothing to do Pre-workout.
    Ignore the CM... Can't help that they keep putting it in PWO...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    How can you know from a Prop-Blend? Also for L-Citrulline my opinion is that 3g are needed for a proper dosage. Alas how is a 3.19g dosage of a blend including it enough? Seeing how many companies like adding at least .5g of Vit C to their blends (still beats me why they do that though).
    Yeah you can't know, but I would assume 500mgs vit c which would make the cit dose 2-2.5g.1.5-2 scoops and you're good to gofor both that and the BA. Especially at that price/serving that's not bad. The extra vit c is the only down side...I'm not really sure its really that terrible even though coop says it is (and normally I follow coops word religiously)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLaQz View Post
    Ignore the CM... Can't help that they keep putting it in PWO...
    You don't like Citrulline or Vitamin C?

    Also it has no real Pre-workout ingredients other than Caffeine and a pixie dust of Citrulline. Look for COP , Nootropics , different stimulants and Carnitines as a baseline for spending money in a pre-workout. Albeit I am more of a Nitrate and NO2 optimization guy recently...noots I can add.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    Yeah you can't know, but I would assume 500mgs vit c which would make the cit dose 2-2.5g.1.5-2 scoops and you're good to gofor both that and the BA. Especially at that price/serving that's not bad. The extra vit c is the only down side...I'm not really sure its really that terrible even though coop says it is (and normally I follow coops word religiously)
    Beta Alanine is not a Pre-workout ingredient, 2 scoops puts you at 400mg caffeine and 6g Creatine mono...which none of that is needed at all. It is a sad Pre...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    Beta Alanine is not a Pre-workout ingredient, 2 scoops puts you at 400mg caffeine and 6g Creatine mono...which none of that is needed at all. It is a sad Pre...
    It doesn't matter when you take BA or creatine...so why not in a pre?
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    beta alanine is a good old school supp stack with creatine strength should go up as long as you eat enough calories
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    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    It doesn't matter when you take BA or creatine...so why not in a pre?
    It is actually proven that post workout absorption rates are higher, and it is better to split Beta Alanine instead of taking it all in one dose. IMO it is best to take either after a Na-R-Ala or other kind of GDA dose.

    Why not pre...well simply for the fact many people can't handle the tingles of BA and add Niacin, add also caffeine and some people get winded out of it. Why not Creatine Mono Pre? GI issues, some people can't stomach bloat from Creatine in a pre and also get problems from the metabolic stress from the body when working out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    You don't like Citrulline or Vitamin C?

    Also it has no real Pre-workout ingredients other than Caffeine and a pixie dust of Citrulline. Look for COP , Nootropics , different stimulants and Carnitines as a baseline for spending money in a pre-workout. Albeit I am more of a Nitrate and NO2 optimization guy recently...noots I can add.
    ??? I didn't mention not liking citrulline or vitamin C...

    I don't like stims, & don't need nootropics... Pumps I'm after... I've got Jack3d Micro on hand... This was just an idea for a cheap but effective backup, nothing more...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLaQz View Post
    ??? I didn't mention not liking citrulline or vitamin C...

    I don't like stims, & don't need nootropics... Pumps I'm after... I've got Jack3d Micro on hand... This was just an idea for a cheap but effective backup, nothing more...
    If you want pumps Jack3d Micro is superior than this Pre...it has Nitrates, Citrulline, and Agmatine Sulfate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    If you want pumps Jack3d Micro is superior than this Pre...it has Nitrates, Citrulline, and Agmatine Sulfate.
    So you wouldn't bother with this supp then considering price/serve?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    It is actually proven that post workout absorption rates are higher, and it is better to split Beta Alanine instead of taking it all in one dose. IMO it is best to take either after a Na-R-Ala or other kind of GDA dose.

    Why not pre...well simply for the fact many people can't handle the tingles of BA and add Niacin, add also caffeine and some people get winded out of it. Why not Creatine Mono Pre? GI issues, some people can't stomach bloat from Creatine in a pre and also get problems from the metabolic stress from the body when working out...

    Any other questions?
    Fair enough. I have done split doses no problem, love the tingles...sadly I don't get them anymore at my dosing
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLaQz View Post
    So you wouldn't bother with this supp then?
    Not even lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLaQz

    ??? I didn't mention not liking citrulline or vitamin C...

    I don't like stims, & don't need nootropics... Pumps I'm after... I've got Jack3d Micro on hand... This was just an idea for a cheap but effective backup, nothing more...
    If you don't like stims this one probably isn't for you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa

    If you don't like stims this one probably isn't for you...
    Noted...
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    If you really want Painful sick pumps you should go for:

    -1-2g Arachidonic Acid
    -6-9g Critrulline Malate
    -2g COP
    -2g LCLT
    -1g Agmatine Sulfate
    -5-8g GMS

    Have that with plenty of water...go enjoy a workout some 20-30 mins later...and enjoy feeling like your skin will be ripped apart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza
    If you really want Painful sick pumps you should go for:

    -1-2g Arachidonic Acid
    -6-9g Critrulline Malate
    -2g COP
    -2g LCLT
    -1g Agmatine Sulfate
    -5-8g GMS

    Have that with plenty of water...go enjoy a workout some 20-30 mins later...and enjoy feeling like your skin will be ripped apart.
    You forgot nitrates!

    Though this would be the perfect pre...I hate having to buy all that **** in bulk and mix it myself. Now that you're a rep maybe you could make this happen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza
    If you really want Painful sick pumps you should go for:

    -1-2g Arachidonic Acid
    -6-9g Critrulline Malate
    -2g COP
    -2g LCLT
    -1g Agmatine Sulfate
    -5-8g GMS

    Have that with plenty of water...go enjoy a workout some 20-30 mins later...and enjoy feeling like your skin will be ripped apart.
    Cool, but what is GMS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    You forgot nitrates!

    Though this would be the perfect pre...I hate having to buy all that **** in bulk and mix it myself. Now that you're a rep maybe you could make this happen?
    Lol I am merely a tiny being in this industry, barely coming to existence haha...One step at a time. And nitrates...hm...Yeah it could be, I'll read up on interaction of ArA and Nitrates...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLaQz View Post
    Cool, but what is GMS?
    Glycerol Mono Stearate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    Glycerol Mono Stearate
    I just read up on it & to my understanding it aids with absorption of other supps... So would it be safe to say that it would be beneficial if used in conjunction with any of the supps I use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLaQz View Post
    I just read up on it & to my understanding it aids with absorption of other supps... So would it be safe to say that it would be beneficial if used in conjunction with any of the supps I use?
    Nope, it is mainly to aid the absorption of ArA at those dosages. It could prove benefitial if you want higher endurance or if you were a marathon runner too, unless that's the case, just use it on workout days along with Arachidonic Acid.
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    I don't think it's that bad for a basic profile. Lacking in the stim department...but the basic building blocks are there. You could always dust it with any bulk supplies you have laying around it's an economical purchase with a flavor system.
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    Cit Mal looks on the lower side
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    Looks ok at 1.5 servings. besides the idiotically high dose of folic acid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Vitamin C should be away from any Peri Workout scenario since it hinders Hypertrophy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Seeing how many companies like adding at least .5g of Vit C to their blends (still beats me why they do that though).
    I've read that 250 mg or so Vitamin C is often used in nitrate based formulas to prevent nitrate tolerance and/or prevent nitrosamine formation in the gut. Although I think the former is the reasoning with more science behind iirc

    This formula doesn't have nitrates afaik so its a moot point
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quadzilla99 View Post
    I've read that 250 mg or so Vitamin C is often used in nitrate based formulas to prevent nitrate tolerance and/or prevent nitrosamine formation in the gut. Although I think the former is the reasoning with more science behind iirc

    This formula doesn't have nitrates afaik so its a moot point
    If you're not super-dosing the vitamin C, there's no issue regardless. Keep it below 500mg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    If you're not super-dosing the vitamin C, there's no issue regardless. Keep it below 500mg.
    At the 1.5 scoops you mentioned before it will end up at 1350mg!!!
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    In conclusion, I won't bother with this... I've got bulk Cit Malate, COP & BA on order instead & over next few weeks or so I will put together a stack similar to what Celorza mentioned... Thanks guys...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLaQz
    In conclusion, I won't bother with this... I've got bulk Cit Malate, COP & BA on order instead & over next few weeks or so I will put together a stack similar to what Celorza mentioned... Thanks guys...
    Add some Agmatine bro,wtf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999

    Add some Agmatine bro,wtf
    -1-2g Arachidonic Acid
    -6-9g Critrulline Malate
    -2g COP
    -2g LCLT
    -1g Agmatine Sulfate
    -3-6g BA

    This is what I'm putting together... Short of money this fortnight... I'm in no rush to put it together as I've still got my Jack3d Micro & Magnum Opus to finish... All in good time bro...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLaQz

    -1-2g Arachidonic Acid
    -6-9g Critrulline Malate
    -2g COP
    -2g LCLT
    -1g Agmatine Sulfate
    -3-6g BA

    This is what I'm putting together... Short of money this fortnight... I'm in no rush to put it together as I've still got my Jack3d Micro & Magnum Opus to finish... All in good time bro...
    Short of money,lol,we all are...I am but i look like i own a vitamin shoppe at my home..

    Anway that staak is great man. If you are tight on cash u can drop the CitMalate down to 5 gms,LCLT down to 1-1.5...keep 6-8 pills of ARA...as for the Beta Alanine,im not sure what the recomemdes dosage is,but i take taurine and i believe the bulk i got is 3gs a serving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999
    Short of money,lol,we all are...I am but i look like i own a vitamin shoppe at my home..

    Anway that staak is great man. If you are tight on cash u can drop the CitMalate down to 5 gms,LCLT down to 1-1.5...keep 6-8 pills of ARA...as for the Beta Alanine,im not sure what the recomemdes dosage is,but i take taurine and i believe the bulk i got is 3gs a serving.
    Im running ara as well,its on pre order,so when i get it,ill figure it out.probably run it round dec or jan..most likely Jan
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