Planning my winter bulk

[StephenGarcia]

Okay so after I get done with my current log on Liquid T911 around mid October I want to bulk til Thanksgiving (last hoorah).
Sadly this is what I think about while I am in Psychology class

but I have:
1 bottle Natadrol
getting 1 bottle TTA-500 (Celorza's doing)
Oodles of ConDense, yes oodles
other miscellaneous items

plan on getting:
Dpol (I am a Purus fanboy)
???
a joint support
multivitamin most likely OT

I wanna keep it as lean as possible, I weigh 188 and am only 19 so Ph's probably aren't gonna happen (I have SD and Hdrol in my closet though).
upping to 500-750 surplus calories.
Might change up my routine but as of now its 1 muscle group a day: Chest, Back, Shoulders, Legs, Arms and a touch up day then Sundays off.
this is gonna be around 8 weeks of teh gains then back to around maintenance cals and only preworkout.

Recommendations? I don't really bulk/cut I just work out lol

[StephenGarcia]

inb4 liftabol and eatadrol
inb4 squats and oats
inb4 I can't inb4

[Celorza]

Supps you might like on a bulk (besides a proper diet, since you already inb4 that...):

-Creatine monohydrate or MCC (Magnesium Creatine chelate) , 3-5 grams a day.
-Beta Alanine , anytime of the day, 3.5 to 4.2g a day
-COP , Creatinol-o-phosphate , 2g preworkout
-Citrulline Malate , 6-9g preworkout
-High content EPA/DHA fish oil, OxiMega is wonderful
-Arachidonic Acid , 1-2g preworkout only, X-Factor or X-gels are good, don't get the XFA sh1t...If you have ArA , add to the Preworkout supps: GMS (Glycerol Mono Stearate) , 5-8g
-LCLT , 2g pre workout to increase anabolic signaling
-Reduce-XT , minimizes Cortisol, thus it promotes Lean Muscle Gains and diminishes fat gain
-TTA-500 and RK-500 (Raspberry ketones) both shine in Lean Bulks since they help precent fat storage and lipogenesis , along with PLCAR.

Again, if you want to run DAA 3g a day, add Erase (normal) and Prolactin control, Inhibit-P. You could also look into Anabeta or Anabeta Elite, either of them is fine.

For joints the Fish oil along with Cissus-XT is wonderful and enough.

Ditch the multi, your diet on a bulk should have enough GREENS and a variety of carbohydrate and protein sources (REAL FOOD SOURCES, DON'T GO WASTING MONEY ON POWDERS FFS...)

Anything else that might appeal to you?

[Celorza]

Oh also...get on a proper training program, 5/3/1 , West Side for Skinny bastards...or if you really like Bodybuilding and want to go more for aesthetics rather than sheer power look into PHAT by Layne norton. Gives a bit of Power and it also helps most in the aesthetics and HYPERTROPHY department.

[StephenGarcia]

Holy..

I don't really like creatine to be honest, always messes with my stomach. never figured it out the only one that didn't was Cellmass back when I tried it 2 years ago.
BA is in ConDense, I definitely don't mind the tingles! and I the only thing I would add to pw would be LCLT (300 servings for like $20)
I love fish oil, only thing I have actually taken consistently until a couple months ago for some reason. (reason why I have OT is for the joint and flex blend)
Don't mind the Cissus either!

I get very tired of pills and powders extremely quickly, probably why I don't even drink protein. Thanks man! This is all off first impression I will most likely come around to some of this stuff!

[Celorza]

Holy..

I don't really like creatine to be honest, always messes with my stomach. never figured it out the only one that didn't was Cellmass back when I tried it 2 years ago.
BA is in ConDense, I definitely don't mind the tingles! and I the only thing I would add to pw would be LCLT (300 servings for like $20)
I love fish oil, only thing I have actually taken consistently until a couple months ago for some reason. (reason why I have OT is for the joint and flex blend)
Don't mind the Cissus either!

I get very tired of pills and powders extremely quickly, probably why I don't even drink protein. Thanks man! This is all off first impression I will most likely come around to some of this stuff!

Beta Alanine in Condense is only 2g and 1 scoop...and you shouldn't have more than 1 scoop anyhow. Just get more BA and have a bit more later in the day if you like condense that much. (I clarify I do NOT say this against Condense, I bought some myself and have had some of it with my workouts after my Prodigy run and I liked Condense too).

Adding only LCLT without adding any hormonal really won't make much of a difference, and passing on COP is selling yourself short, Beta Alanine + COP incease endurance and strength a lot.

If creatine monohydrate from that sh1t you used to buy did you wrong, try Magnesium Creatine Chelate, Monohydrate non-responders have WAY better results from MCC and it comes with Magnesium which is vital for this sport.

[StephenGarcia]

Beta Alanine in Condense is only 2g and 1 scoop...and you shouldn't have more than 1 scoop anyhow. Just get more BA and have a bit more later in the day if you like condense that much. (I clarify I do NOT say this against Condense, I bought some myself and have had some of it with my workouts after my Prodigy run and I liked Condense too).

Adding only LCLT without adding any hormonal really won't make much of a difference, and passing on COP is selling yourself short, Beta Alanine + COP incease endurance and strength a lot.

If creatine monohydrate from that sh1t you used to buy did you wrong, try Magnesium Creatine Chelate, Monohydrate non-responders have WAY better results from MCC and it comes with Magnesium which is vital for this sport.

I guess I have a lot of things to ponder <-- Zoolander reference
BA + COP + MCC it is

Reduce-Xt I shall read into!

[jimbuick]

My personal recommendation for a lean bulk.

Supps:
Creatine (I know you aren't a big fan but splitting the dosage through the day may help)
GDA
Anabeta (some people stack with a true GDA)
DAA
AI
Food (tons, literally tons)

Routine:
Powerlifting ( ie. strength training)
WS4SB (one of my favorite programs personally)
PHAT (if you respond better to high volume)

Did I mention tons of food?

[jimbuick]

Oh yeah. And the most vital part (which you probably.already know) move heavy sh*t. If you don't look like my avi at the end of a squat session you're doing it wrong. :heavy:

[StephenGarcia]

I got the food, daa and routine down.

Just needed to know the most worthwhile supplements, Celorza is very well informed but honestly Erase and DAA + preworkout was around my limit for supps. Not saying this thread is worthless I just like knowing that my gains are from genes but at the same time I wanna maximize them so I am gonna try and fight my urge to hide everything in my closet lol.

Definitely look into AB, it would add nicely to DAA or would DAA alone cover it?

[jimbuick]

I got the food, daa and routine down.

Just needed to know the most worthwhile supplements, Celorza is very well informed but honestly Erase and DAA + preworkout was around my limit for supps. Not saying this thread is worthless I just like knowing that my gains are from genes but at the same time I wanna maximize them so I am gonna try and fight my urge to hide everything in my closet lol.

Definitely look into AB, it would add nicely to DAA or would DAA alone cover it?

DAA and AB are not really similar at all, AB can stack with anything IMO. If you can afford it then its definitely worth getting, ABE would be even better but not really necessary if you don't have the cash. And GDAs are basically a staple for me.

[StephenGarcia]

Side note I've been toasting up some potatoes and onions, adding a cup of oats and 2 tablespoons of franks original hot sauce to my eggs. I know it sounds weird but you hardly notice the oats actually

So goodddddd

[StephenGarcia]

DAA and AB are not really similar at all, AB can stack with anything IMO. If you can afford it then its definitely worth getting, ABE would be even better but not really necessary if you don't have the cash. And GDAs are basically a staple for me.

I didn't mean are they similar I was just wondering if the test boosting abilities of DAA would overshadow AB. Definitely will try to get ABE

[jimbuick]

I didn't mean are they similar I was just wondering if the test boosting abilities of DAA would overshadow AB. Definitely will try to get ABE

I don't think so, especially at 19. AB or ABE would very likely give you better results for an 8 week run. Not to say that DAA is a waste, especially with how cheap it is. OG AB goes on sale fairly regularly, you can probably get it cheap before Nov.

[StephenGarcia]

I don't think so, especially at 19. AB or ABE would very likely give you better results for an 8 week run. Not to say that DAA is a waste, especially with how cheap it is. OG AB goes on sale fairly regularly, you can probably get it cheap before Nov.

I was mainly just interested in the dpol/condense stack. Think of the veins *daydreams*




I'm sorry what are we talking about? Lol jk but yeah AB/ABE it is! Thanks
Trying to get back to 198 lean, hopefully I can get there by next Feb

[jimbuick]

I was mainly just interested in the dpol/condense stack. Think of the veins *daydreams*

I'm sorry what are we talking about? Lol jk but yeah AB/ABE it is! Thanks
Trying to get back to 198 lean, hopefully I can get there by next Feb

By Nov. I should be running D-Pol + FreeTest with some form of GDA. (haven't decided yet) Stacked with ConDense + the occasional MM fueled workout I expect to see some serious progress.

[StephenGarcia]

By Nov. I should be running D-Pol + FreeTest with some form of GDA. (haven't decided yet) Stacked with ConDense + the occasional MM fueled workout I expect to see some serious progress.

You like Glycobol?
And I thought I found MM for 13.95 but it was sold out, I wanted to cry lmao

Looks solid though

[jimbuick]

You like Glycobol?
And I thought I found MM for 13.95 but it was sold out, I wanted to cry lmao

Looks solid though

I've never used glycobol so I couldn't tell you. My only beef with the marinade is that 1 scoop is more creatine than I would use. I would probably end up doing 1xConDense and .5xMM

[StephenGarcia]

I've never used glycobol so I couldn't tell you. My only beef with the marinade is that 1 scoop is more creatine than I would use. I would probably end up doing 1xConDense and .5xMM

Yeah I couldn't go more than half a scoop with Assault cuz the creatine would eff with me, I know this cuz I tried some of their creatine alone and it gave me the same feeling. They have a blend but still wasn't pleasant.

I'll be looking for the log! Thanks for your help man

[rockme]

I would go with ABE over the original. The test boost from the coleus forskholii is very evident with me. Alpha male tendencies follow an hour after dosing