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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    Ive read Taurine as well can help with stimulating the mind with focus and clarity.In what way does DAA help? Why would i contribute my statement rto only the DAA?
    Taurine will realistically have no effect. Neither will erase or carnitine fumarate. DAA is an NMDA agonist, which shows evidence of increasing cognitive function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    Taurine will realistically have no effect. Neither will erase or carnitine fumarate. DAA is an NMDA agonist, which shows evidence of increasing cognitive function.
    So then supplementing with this on a reg basis and consistantly can only benefit you,id assume? But being it raises test does that cause a problem with consistant use? Ive heard you say Alcar is great for focus,but that can be used year round?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    So then supplementing with this on a reg basis and consistantly can only benefit you,id assume? But being it raises test does that cause a problem with consistant use? Ive heard you say Alcar is great for focus,but that can be used year round?
    I wouldn't extrapolate it that far, as longterm studies are absent. Cycle DAA as you would all supplements. ALCAR can essentially be used year round (I cycle off every 6 months).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    I wouldn't extrapolate it that far, as longterm studies are absent. Cycle DAA as you would all supplements. ALCAR can essentially be used year round (I cycle off every 6 months).
    Excellent..i prefer 2 months on daa and 2 months off.I believe in cycling everything.

    Thnx for the advice man
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    SNS Focus XT is the best supplement in this area. I have had great results with it. I have yet to try the Stim-Free version.
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    SNS Focus XT is the best supplement in this area. I have had great results with it. I have yet to try the Stim-Free version.
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    Have you tried all natural cognitive enhancers? Some herbs help with blood flow to the brain and have the potential to keep your brain into concentrating on the task at hand, increasing alertness and mental clarity. Taking a good focus supplement can give you the discipline you need to become more productive and eliminate distractive tendencies. Try some of these to help you in your efforts: Choline, phoshotidyle serine, aceytyl L-carnitine, gingko biloba, Vitamin B9 or Folic Acid, DMAE, L-cysteine, and rhodiola. Good luck!
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    Can we get some good conversation on D-Serine and Sarcosine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    Can we get some good conversation on D-Serine and Sarcosine?
    For an acute burst of cognitive function, try the NMDA trio of D-Serine, sarcosine, and DAA along with a potentially synergistic AMPA-based agent: aniracetam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    For an acute burst of cognitive function, try the NMDA trio of D-Serine, sarcosine, and DAA along with a potentially synergistic AMPA-based agent: aniracetam.
    acute meaning "short-lived and diminishing effects when used repeatedly"?
    ive used sarco, daa, and ani together for the last few weeks and while they dont do anything bad for me, i havent experienced SUPER-WOW effects, maybe because i didnt have the d-serine...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsohei View Post
    acute meaning "short-lived and diminishing effects when used repeatedly"?
    ive used sarco, daa, and ani together for the last few weeks and while they dont do anything bad for me, i havent experienced SUPER-WOW effects, maybe because i didnt have the d-serine...?
    Short-lived, yes. Diminishing effects, no.

    None of these should give you wow effects. They aren't stimulants/work on the reticular activating system. They should improve functional memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Short-lived, yes. Diminishing effects, no.

    None of these should give you wow effects. They aren't stimulants/work on the reticular activating system. They should improve functional memory.
    My functional memory is usually pretty good, i use noots et al for different effects like increasing energy, clarity, motivation, wit, humor, communication and creativity
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    Since I started taking the ALCAR (1 g A.M. and 0.5g P.M.) and Bacopa I have noticed a few things. I feel like my 'brain' is more calm and relaxed. Usually I have a million thoughts running through my head 24/7 and while I still do its seems to have slowed down slightly. For me this is obviously a good thing. The biggest thing I have noticed is with sleep. I have slept a good bit better but I CANNOT wake up in the mornings. For the first time ever, I have had to set multiple alarms. I have slept through my first alarm every single morning for about a week now and even slept through my phone alarm one day. I like the sleep but it feels like I am drugged when I wake up. May only take the ALCAR in the A.M. and see if any changes occur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    For an acute burst of cognitive function, try the NMDA trio of D-Serine, sarcosine, and DAA along with a potentially synergistic AMPA-based agent: aniracetam.
    Can D-Serine, itself, activate the NMDA receptor? Wouldn't a cascade of effects like--preceding agonism of the AMPA receptor, membrane depolarization, NMDA magnesium displacement, and accompanying binding with glutamate--need to be met prior to agonism?

    So, D-Serine is "limited" by prior AMPA activation (among other criteria)? Could it still lead to over activation of the NMDA receptor? I guess this is something that everyone worries about when messing with the NMDA receptor?

    Now, what about allosterism? So, piracetam (and others) don't directly activate any receptor, but it modulates glutaminergic receptors through allosteric activation. Now, aniracetam has a high affinity binding to the AMPA receptor. Will modulating the AMPA receptor lead to over-activation of the NMDA receptor?

    Alright, I was pretty long winded, but I needed to work through that post to help myself understand.

    So, hypothetically speaking, is it safer (avoiding NMDA excitotoxicity) to modulate the AMPA receptor through the use of -racetams, or to activate the NMDA receptor through the use of D-Serine (and follow the cascade of preceding criteria prior to agonism of the NMDA receptor)?
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    I didn't follow certain parts of your post, but no, aniracetam would not potentiate excitotoxicity (there are far more mechanisms in place than basic AMPA modulation). In fact, aniracetam would probably prove neuroprotective to any such effect from the combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I didn't follow certain parts of your post, but no, aniracetam would not potentiate excitotoxicity (there are far more mechanisms in place than basic AMPA modulation). In fact, aniracetam would probably prove neuroprotective to any such effect from the combo.
    Alright, thanks, Coop. I tried to word it the best I could.

    I'll just ask this question while I do some more reading:

    Can D-Serine or Sarcosine potentiate excitotoxicity?

    I would like to investigate the racetams, D-Serine, Sarcosine, and DAA, but I just don't want to be messing with neuronal death, excitotoxicity, etc.

    They all show great potential as cognitive enhancers, but I would like to read up on their pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics. I want to know what the drug does to my body and what my body does to the drug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by domore View Post
    Alright, thanks, Coop. I tried to word it the best I could.

    I'll just ask this question while I do some more reading:

    Can D-Serine or Sarcosine potentiate excitotoxicity?

    I would like to investigate the racetams, D-Serine, Sarcosine, and DAA, but I just don't want to be messing with neuronal death, excitotoxicity, etc.

    They all show great potential as cognitive enhancers, but I would like to read up on their pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics. I want to know what the drug does to my body and what my body does to the drug.
    It is highly unlikely that they would do so unless we are talking about a neuron in vitro. There are influx/efflux control systems in place that go beyond things as simple as co-agonism. The whole neuronal apparatus, including the BBB, is geared to prevent excitoxic insult from oral compounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    It is highly unlikely that they would do so unless we are talking about a neuron in vitro. There are influx/efflux control systems in place that go beyond things as simple as co-agonism. The whole neuronal apparatus, including the BBB, is geared to prevent excitoxic insult from oral compounds.
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    If the BBB will prevent excitoxic insult from oral compounds, when does the fascination with creating compounds with the ability to cross the BBB become a waste of time?

    It seems as if creating a compound with even more ability to have BBB permeability has diminishing return (e.g. Magnesium Threonate vs. Any Chelated Magnesium).

    Do you have any suggested readings that deal with the NMDA and AMPA receptors?
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    What do you mean by diminishing return of magnesium l-threonate? I was under the impression supplementation was specifically to increase magnesium levels in the brain and it was effective.

    Edit: maybe mg for mg total absorption and/or levels throughout the body?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    What do you mean by diminishing return of magnesium l-threonate? I was under the impression supplementation was specifically to increase magnesium levels in the brain and it was effective.
    Well, I just picked it as an example for the statement Coop made. Magnesium Threonate has shown to cross the BBB in some studies. This question was just used as means to help me word my BBB question in regards to D-Serine to which Coop answered. Although compounds can be altered or created to have BBB permeability, "the whole neuronal apparatus, including the BBB, is geared to prevent excitoxic insult from oral compounds." The BBB is an intricately coordinated mechanism for protecting the brain. It won't let things get out of control in most cases.

    So, Magnesium Threonate may be able to cross the BBB better than Magnesium Glycinate, but how much magnesium from Magnesium Threonate is still being deterred at the BBB? Do we keep trying to create compounds that have greater BBB permeability only for our BBB to still block entry?
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    Ahhh, I gotcha now. Thanks for clearing that up. Sorry for the derail!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    Ahhh, I gotcha now. Thanks for clearing that up. Sorry for the derail!
    No problem. And, it wasn't a derail. I'm trying to pick Coop's brain just like everyone else!
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    It's not all about the BBB, this is just one example! Certainly if you take a highly penetrating compound at even a microdose, you can induce some sort of pathological outcome (methylmercury, anyone?). Your question is very different because we are talking about endogenous substances that are under tight regulation in the body (see all the channels at the NMDAR, for instance. Aniracetam in particular should actually reduce any excitotoxic potential of DAA since it regulates the AMPAR (this is in stark contrast to an AMPAR agonist, which may have totally different effects). Piracetam would also prove useful in exerting neuroprotective effects (this time more specifically to the NMDAR).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    It's not all about the BBB, this is just one example! Certainly if you take a highly penetrating compound at even a microdose, you can induce some sort of pathological outcome (methylmercury, anyone?). Your question is very different because we are talking about endogenous substances that are under tight regulation in the body (see all the channels at the NMDAR, for instance. Aniracetam in particular should actually reduce any excitotoxic potential of DAA since it regulates the AMPAR (this is in stark contrast to an AMPAR agonist, which may have totally different effects). Piracetam would also prove useful in exerting neuroprotective effects (this time more specifically to the NMDAR).
    I really appreciate it, Coop. Thank you for bearing with me and letting me work through my thought process.

    This type of information isn't my line of work, but, man, I am really interested in it.
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