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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    You can easily mess up with smaller scoop, IMO. Compacting the powder and having a rounded top to it is possible. Not to mention your scale may not be as accurate as you think when measuring down to milligrams, most aren't unless you dropped a pretty penny on it.

    As far as customer service, that is crappy of them.
    scale is legit for gemstones, wasnt cheap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Primaforce stuff is fine, been using it for years with no problems. Creatine mono, Glutamine, taurine, r-ala, elastamine, cit malate, beta- alanine, Waxy Maize, CLA, and ZMA.

    thats actually great to hear.Just because....I just ordered 1x-Caffeine(90ct pills 200mgs per pill) 2x-Agmatime (30 mgs each tub) and 1x-(Citrulline Malate 200mgs),both in bulk..

    I made this decison based on the 2 pms i got with ppl stating its legit stuff and there not reps,so i went with it =)

    Did some reading on reviews and did a little extra searching. so i figured Ill go with it.see ing your post just makes me more confident about the purchase.

    both of the bulk products the CM and Agma will both come with scoopers,right? maybe a dumb question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999
    Why do i trust you for some reason,lol
    It's because he used the term "bees knees"
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    Quote Originally Posted by antihero

    It's because he used the term "bees knees"
    Yeah pretty much man!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by antihero

    It's because he used the term "bees knees"
    Got it from my grandparents. I what grandparents aren't trustworthy?
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    Looking at my primaforce cop and alcar which indicated the same dosage 500 mg, I think they just have the wrong scooper hopefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmmoreno
    Looking at my primaforce cop and alcar which indicated the same dosage 500 mg, I think they just have the wrong scooper hopefully.
    It's the density of the powder that dictates the serving volume. Nothing to do with the size of the scoop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    It's the density of the powder that dictates the serving volume. Nothing to do with the size of the scoop.
    This, all powders will not be the same density, therefore cannot use the same scoop.

    Get a scale if scoop discrepancy is an issue, no worries then.
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    Primaforce sent me an email I will paste here later tonite
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsohei
    Primaforce sent me an email I will paste here later tonite
    Interested to see what they say
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    me too
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsohei View Post
    Primaforce sent me an email I will paste here later tonite

    Eager to see what they have to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsohei View Post
    Primaforce sent me an email I will paste here later tonite
    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    Interested to see what they say
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    It's the density of the powder that dictates the serving volume. Nothing to do with the size of the scoop.
    ^^^^^Thats probably what they will say

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattys4 View Post
    me too

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    haha
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    this is what they say:
    "Thank you for contacting us with your question Darius. We have thoroughly investigated your email to find a definitive answer. There was error in the label creation process. The material we use is 99.75% pure Creatinol-o-Phosphate, above the industry standard. As with all Primaforce bulk powders there are no fillers so the product you have is 99.75% pure COP. The label should have listed 2g per serving, there are approximately 500mg per scoop if filled to the line. The person who signed off on that label is no longer with us so I can only assume he read 500mg per scoop rather than per serving. We will be making the necessary changes to our label on the next run of this product! We greatly appreciate you bringing this to our attention and would like to send you a bottle of COP free as a way of showing this appreciation. I look forward to hearing back from you and hope you are having a great day!"

    anyone care to translate? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsohei View Post
    this is what they say:
    "Thank you for contacting us with your question Darius. We have thoroughly investigated your email to find a definitive answer. There was error in the label creation process. The material we use is 99.75% pure Creatinol-o-Phosphate, above the industry standard. As with all Primaforce bulk powders there are no fillers so the product you have is 99.75% pure COP. The label should have listed 2g per serving, there are approximately 500mg per scoop if filled to the line. The person who signed off on that label is no longer with us so I can only assume he read 500mg per scoop rather than per serving. We will be making the necessary changes to our label on the next run of this product! We greatly appreciate you bringing this to our attention and would like to send you a bottle of COP free as a way of showing this appreciation. I look forward to hearing back from you and hope you are having a great day!"

    anyone care to translate? lol
    looks good to me. thats what i thought 4 scoops = 2g COP
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsohei
    this is what they say:
    "Thank you for contacting us with your question Darius. We have thoroughly investigated your email to find a definitive answer. There was error in the label creation process. The material we use is 99.75% pure Creatinol-o-Phosphate, above the industry standard. As with all Primaforce bulk powders there are no fillers so the product you have is 99.75% pure COP. The label should have listed 2g per serving, there are approximately 500mg per scoop if filled to the line. The person who signed off on that label is no longer with us so I can only assume he read 500mg per scoop rather than per serving. We will be making the necessary changes to our label on the next run of this product! We greatly appreciate you bringing this to our attention and would like to send you a bottle of COP free as a way of showing this appreciation. I look forward to hearing back from you and hope you are having a great day!"

    anyone care to translate? lol
    According to the email:
    500mg per scoop
    4 scoops per 2g serving
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    Quote Originally Posted by antihero View Post
    According to the email:
    500mg per scoop
    4 scoops per 2g serving
    funny thing: 1 full scoop weighs 1 gram, so i guess its better to weigh it out than trust the scoop as density can be higher than they assume.
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    i can't believe this much discussion went into something so dumb.

    why would anyone use scoopers with digital scales available?

    why in the world would anyone measure milligrams with a scooper?

    d=m/v

    i guess if you're not accustomed to buying powders, you don't realize how much volume varies based on density
    For me, the action IS the juice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsohei View Post
    funny thing: 1 full scoop weighs 1 gram, so i guess its better to weigh it out than trust the scoop as density can be higher than they assume.

    They did say "filled to the line" so maybe there is a line inside the scoop that would be the 500mg mark. Sounds like the guy who made the labels just screwed up and he is gone now so they took care of it. Also they offered to send you a free tub which was really nice of them. Great customer service right there. That is only one of the many reasons I love a trust the primaforce brand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone

    They did say "filled to the line" so maybe there is a line inside the scoop that would be the 500mg mark. Sounds like the guy who made the labels just screwed up and he is gone now so they took care of it. Also they offered to send you a free tub which was really nice of them. Great customer service right there. That is only one of the many reasons I love a trust the primaforce brand.
    I'm surprised such a large company could make a basic mistake like that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsohei

    funny thing: 1 full scoop weighs 1 gram, so i guess its better to weigh it out than trust the scoop as density can be higher than they assume.
    Check inside the scoop for a line mid-way up. According to the email, there should be one. That line is the fill line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsohei View Post
    funny thing: 1 full scoop weighs 1 gram, so i guess its better to weigh it out than trust the scoop as density can be higher than they assume.
    That's why they say approximately 500mg per scoop if filled to the line, that appears to be the same size as the scooper on the alcar tub which is 500mg
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    They did say "filled to the line" so maybe there is a line inside the scoop that would be the 500mg mark. Sounds like the guy who made the labels just screwed up and he is gone now so they took care of it. Also they offered to send you a free tub which was really nice of them. Great customer service right there. That is only one of the many reasons I love a trust the primaforce brand.

    im pretty sure their offer of a free bottle is lip service. if i ever receive such a gift i will post it here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc

    Got it from my grandparents. I what grandparents aren't trustworthy?
    Dude,i wouldnt trust them!!!
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    Any of you COP users ever try PLCAR?

    Im loving the stuff for the same purported benefits one should realize on COP
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    The hell is plcar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Any of you COP users ever try PLCAR?

    Im loving the stuff for the same purported benefits one should realize on COP
    PLCAR is very nice but it works on a very different system than COP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    Any of you COP users ever try PLCAR?

    Im loving the stuff for the same purported benefits one should realize on COP
    PLCAR is greatly overlooked, but its been a something ive mentioned quite a few times before. It stacks perfectly with MCC, COP, BA, and other staples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    i can't believe this much discussion went into something so dumb.

    why would anyone use scoopers with digital scales available?

    why in the world would anyone measure milligrams with a scooper?

    d=m/v

    i guess if you're not accustomed to buying powders, you don't realize how much volume varies based on density
    HAHA!!! Thank god someone else said it. It doesn't take rocket science to deduce that at a 2g serving size, being 4 scoops, that it's 500mg per scoop "when filled to the line of course". I'm not saying the label wasn't confusing, b/c it sure as hell was, but my goodness folks....you'd think they delivered you baking soda based on this reaction...


    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    I'm surprised such a large company could make a basic mistake like that...
    It happens....If I recall correctly even Primordial Performance had their Toco 8 labeled incorrectly for a short period. Please anyone feel free to correct that statement if I'm wrong and I'll edit my post. It can happen from batch to batch, when labels change, when ingredients change. It sucks but it's not unheard of.


    Quote Originally Posted by dsohei View Post
    im pretty sure their offer of a free bottle is lip service. if i ever receive such a gift i will post it here.
    Give them a chance to redeem themselves there first slick. Awfully negative for receiving an email that, even though it didn't seem like you followed it well, addressed your concern pretty thoroughly. I'd give it 10 business days and then if you still don't have. Unleash the Kraken...
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    I really could care less about the free bottle since I have the old bottle plus the sns caps. It took them weeks to respond to my initial query, so I posted here, and then in hindsight jags say "oh I knew that and you shoulda figgered it out".
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsohei View Post
    I really could care less about the free bottle since I have the old bottle plus the sns caps. It took them weeks to respond to my initial query, so I posted here, and then in hindsight jags say "oh I knew that and you shoulda figgered it out".

    Jags? You from Pittsburgh? Just asking b/c I am....never heard anyone outside of the Burgh use that saying. Anyway...I just found this thread yesterday and commented. All I had to do was look at the picture of the label to deduce what was going on. Not trying to be a d*ck, just sayin....

    Don't really appreciate being called a "Jag" (unless it means something cool that I don't even know about yet) for simply replying to a few posts. As I said, calm down, your problem has been fixed. Go on enjoying your COP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsohei View Post
    im pretty sure their offer of a free bottle is lip service. if i ever receive such a gift i will post it here.
    Why so hostile? The company seems to be addressing your problem and even offered you a bottle free of charge. I guess you can't please everyone though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Why so hostile? The company seems to be addressing your problem and even offered you a bottle free of charge. I guess you can't please everyone though...
    im not hostile, i am saying my opinion which is - it took them a long time to respond, and saying theyll give me a free bottle is marketing tactics 101. even if they never send it, many people will feel happy that they even typed it in. it's psychology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsohei View Post
    im not hostile, i am saying my opinion which is - it took them a long time to respond, and saying theyll give me a free bottle is marketing tactics 101. even if they never send it, many people will feel happy that they even typed it in. it's psychology.
    I think anyone can understand that you'd be upset it took them so long to get back to you. Understand though, just b/c this is a smaller company (in the grand scheme of things), doesn't necessarily make them more efficient or more able to address customer concerns in a quick manner. It COULD have the opposite effect. It sucks it took them so long, but at least they finally did get back.

    No one will be satisfied if they promised you a free bottle and you never get it. IMO, that's when you really have the right to be upset. Keep us updated. Like I said before, it might take a while for that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BurghHardcore View Post
    I think anyone can understand that you'd be upset it took them so long to get back to you. Understand though, just b/c this is a smaller company (in the grand scheme of things), doesn't necessarily make them more efficient or more able to address customer concerns in a quick manner. It COULD have the opposite effect. It sucks it took them so long, but at least they finally did get back.

    No one will be satisfied if they promised you a free bottle and you never get it. IMO, that's when you really have the right to be upset. Keep us updated. Like I said before, it might take a while for that too.

    We don't know if he accepted the offer of the free bottle and gave his mailing address to them though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone

    We don't know if he accepted the offer of the free bottle and gave his mailing address to them though.
    Um, what? Seriously? Logic, much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BurghHardcore

    I think anyone can understand that you'd be upset it took them so long to get back to you. Understand though, just b/c this is a smaller company (in the grand scheme of things), doesn't necessarily make them more efficient or more able to address customer concerns in a quick manner. It COULD have the opposite effect. It sucks it took them so long, but at least they finally did get back.

    No one will be satisfied if they promised you a free bottle and you never get it. IMO, that's when you really have the right to be upset. Keep us updated. Like I said before, it might take a while for that too.
    I'm not upset, its just silly at this point. I mean I bought and paid for 2 products, I asked a simple question, and it ballooned up.
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