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  1.  09-12-2012  10:02 PM
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    DAA all hype!???


    Be heard the standard 12 day study with An average increase of 40% in males T, but I'm going to ask the real question here, how much does progesterone and estro go up while on it, some say it doesn't , some say it does a little, and some say it's not even worth taking because of the Estro spike it allegedly gives you. Wanna know the actual facts here. It is agreed that the general consensus



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    *Is that it will help your T, but my question is does it increase your progesterone and estro with it?
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    My understanding is that is raises T and E but you end up with the same ratio so the estrogen won't over power your testosterone and get bad sides. That beig said some people have reported sides that are associated with estrogen so people usually run an AI with it like erase,triazole or something stronger(not sure what has been banned recently)

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    Originally Posted by Lacrossedude6 View Post
    *Is that it will help your T, but my question is does it increase your progesterone and estro with it?
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    It can but to what extent it is hard to determine without additional testing. If you are worried about prolactin then stack with Inhibit P

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    It is highly user dependent with respect to intrinsic activity of the aromatase enzyme. In those who have a higher amount/higher activity of aromatase, it may be wise to supplement with Erase. In those prone to gyno, Inhibit-P is a good option (prolactin control). Running DAA solo has yielded positive results (both anecdotally and in the published human study), so if you are otherwise healthy, I see no compelling reason not to do so.
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    Originally Posted by Lacrossedude6 View Post
    Be heard the standard 12 day study with An average increase of 40% in males T, but I'm going to ask the real question here, how much does progesterone and estro go up while on it, some say it doesn't , some say it does a little, and some say it's not even worth taking because of the Estro spike it allegedly gives you. Wanna know the actual facts here. It is agreed that the general consensus
    It is also dose dependent, my advice run it and get bloods to see the effect it has on you. I personally cannot tolerate most DAA due to gastrointestinal reasons (Testforce and TCF-1 being the only two I tolerate). From my own blood work I didn't have any issues until running it at 6+ grams although that high of a dose is not needed


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    I wouldn't take it without erase in the mix due to the raise it's not proven but I felt it increased E and P

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    Take it and always with an AI,cause why not.

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    Originally Posted by Machmood
    My understanding is that is raises T and E but you end up with the same ratio so the estrogen won't over power your testosterone and get bad sides. That beig said some people have reported sides that are associated with estrogen so people usually run an AI with it like erase,triazole or something stronger(not sure what has been banned recently)
    Ohk so your theory is that if you had a 25% increase in T for example you would have an equivalent ratio in the rise in estrogen??

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    Originally Posted by Lacrossedude6 View Post
    Ohk so your theory is that if you had a 25% increase in T for example you would have an equivalent ratio in the rise in estrogen??
    Just because the body wants to maintain homeostasis, doesn't mean E will rise exactly as T does. Our bodies are not meant to have the same ratio of T:E.
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    I would almost always take it with an AI.

    I would add in something like Erase or something like Hard FX which has both DAA and AI.
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    when I run DAA I can tell a huge rise in test. But after about day 15 I can tell my estro is very high too. Last time I ran a AI with it and HUGE DIFFERENCE! This is the only way I will run it now!
    Here is my loghttp://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/216779-bigguy-vs-wilpit.htmlhttp://supplementreviews.com/users/mhseaver670/reviews

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    Lacrossdude, how old are you?. Just wondering because DAA may work better for older guys. If your young you already have a lot of natural testosterone so I'm not sure using something like this would have much of a noticeable difference.

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    Originally Posted by bigguyn10ec
    when I run DAA I can tell a huge rise in test. But after about day 15 I can tell my estro is very high too. Last time I ran a AI with it and HUGE DIFFERENCE! This is the only way I will run it now!
    Did you verify the rise in T &E? From bloodwork ?
    A rise in estrogen is not necessarily a bad thing so you dont want yo overact and take some that is gonna sqush your estro levels either

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    See without an AI after day 15 like bigguy mentioned the estro gets high and I myself start to bloat and also if my bf is high my chest starts to look like ****. Only time id run DAA solo is if my bf is in single digits even then erase would just make it so effin awesome.

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    Yeah i garee with everyone here...You will only benefit running an AI with DAA,im bout 12 days in and stregngth and veins are showing as of 3 days ago.

    this combo isnt ht or miss,its a hit to be honest. I have 2 more bottles each of Daa and Erase now for future runs.

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    I've run it alone about a year or so ago and liked it a lot... Then ran with triazole and LOVED it! Waiting on my next shipment to arrive!

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    I know everyone loves the stuff, but after two seperate runs I have never felt even one remotely noticable benefit! I must be a freak, Im 32 as well, so it should....But I dont get the DAA love at all. If it works for you though, then giddy up!

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    It's one of the few that has science to back it up. I'd stay away from preworkouts Like that say they have it because it's under dosed if it's not 3g and generally they have it in a "blend" so they don't have to disclose actual dosing.
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    Originally Posted by LITERaCOLA View Post
    It's one of the few that has science to back it up. I'd stay away from preworkouts Like that say they have it because it's under dosed if it's not 3g and generally they have it in a "blend" so they don't have to disclose actual dosing.
    I agree..I enjoy my pre workouts,but cant say i need them all the time.i dont even use them every workout...ill use them for a month or two and then not for another 6 months,maybe 8..

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