Glycergrow and OG XF ARA

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  1. Well i never used ara or gms,so i have no idea.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by HITFrank View Post
    I will use this pre-workout:

    X-factor
    Compete
    Hemavol
    Craze

    I'm cutting at the moment, will ARA-use be more effective while in a calorie surplus?
    That is an awesome stack. I have used all those with ArA before (not that exact stack tho). Honestly think it is effective in both areas. It does an excellent job of preserving LBM and strength on a cut and allows you to keep calories slightly higher than normal (still need to be in a deficit, but ArA tends to give me body comp changes).

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    Does it make sense to run creatine with ara and gms?

    I have quiet a bit of atuff at home.Trying to figure our what i can stack at the time ,if i shoyld stack anything at all and just go with food and ara and gms..
    Creatine would make an excellent addition to your run, but I have done it without as well and still loved it.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by bolt10


    Creatine would make an excellent addition to your run, but I have done it without as well and still loved it.
    Ty

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza

    When you increase caloric allotment of the day it should always be (IMO) from Carb sources, since it is the only non-essential macro-nutrient. As long as you are hitting 1g of protein per lb of BW you are fine with that protein level. Since this is a natural supplement no more than 1g of protein is needed, increasing fats on a bulk is also a good idea for recovery, though my preference keeps being Carbs.
    But if you are getting optimal levels of muscle repair at a 1g/lb bodyweight wouldn't you need to bump that up with ara since your need for muscle repair increases?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    But if you are getting optimal levels of muscle repair at a 1g/lb bodyweight wouldn't you need to bump that up with ara since your need for muscle repair increases?
    No since optimal levels of 1g/lb is already above the actual needed of 1g/lb of LBM.
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  6. Jay,

    Most of this jives with what I had told you (makes sense since I got my info from Coop for the most part). Just do 6-8 XF caps and the GG pwo only. I used ALCAR as my Carnitine source but only because it had other benefits. My next ArA run will be in conjunction with Protocol V2 as I think that profile will be very harmonious with the ArA. Leucine, LCLT, COP and Agmatine. Hard to go wrong there.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Dewey99
    Jay,

    Most of this jives with what I had told you (makes sense since I got my info from Coop for the most part). Just do 6-8 XF caps and the GG pwo only. I used ALCAR as my Carnitine source but only because it had other benefits. My next ArA run will be in conjunction with Protocol V2 as I think that profile will be very harmonious with the ArA. Leucine, LCLT, COP and Agmatine. Hard to go wrong there.
    Dewey,
    Yes,i remember our conversation.I actually tried to inbox u before i made this thread but your inbox was full. I am about to buy LCLT as i type to you now.May buy Alcar as well. Not sure what Pre w.o i will get or stack it with.Right now what im looking at is LCLT,Alcar (morning empty stomach) ,ON Creatine Creapure,ARA,GMS..along with basic multi vitamin ofcourse,as much food as possible(want to clean bulk) and cutting out fish oil.

    I feel like im fairly set. If i need anything i know who i can go to around here.As u along with the 3 or 4 other imparticular ppl who chimed in.

  8. Look into Anavite since it has 2g LCLT with your daily dose.

    I'll be running XFA, Glycergrow, Anavite, ALCAR, COP, HemaVol and whatever stim I have around.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    Dewey,
    Yes,i remember our conversation.I actually tried to inbox u before i made this thread but your inbox was full. I am about to buy LCLT as i type to you now.May buy Alcar as well. Not sure what Pre w.o i will get or stack it with.Right now what im looking at is LCLT,Alcar (morning empty stomach) ,ON Creatine Creapure,ARA,GMS..along with basic multi vitamin ofcourse,as much food as possible(want to clean bulk) and cutting out fish oil.

    I feel like im fairly set. If i need anything i know who i can go to around here.As u along with the 3 or 4 other imparticular ppl who chimed in.
    What do you still need to buy? If you haven't bought the LCLT, I think you should strongly consider the Protocol. Let me know and I can explain.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Dewey99 View Post
    What do you still need to buy? If you haven't bought the LCLT, I think you should strongly consider the Protocol. Let me know and I can explain.
    In for Protocol pimping!! I think it stacks very nicely with the ArA + GMS.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    Dewey,
    Yes,i remember our conversation.I actually tried to inbox u before i made this thread but your inbox was full. I am about to buy LCLT as i type to you now.May buy Alcar as well. Not sure what Pre w.o i will get or stack it with.Right now what im looking at is LCLT,Alcar (morning empty stomach) ,ON Creatine Creapure,ARA,GMS..along with basic multi vitamin ofcourse,as much food as possible(want to clean bulk) and cutting out fish oil.

    I feel like im fairly set. If i need anything i know who i can go to around here.As u along with the 3 or 4 other imparticular ppl who chimed in.
    Creatine can be taken anytime of the day, my recommendation would be any time after your workout...either post or some hours before it's the same...but the increased nutrient reception after a workout (usually lasts about 24hrs) is better for creatine anyway. Keep it to 1g LCLT and 1g ALCAR + XF + GMS pre-workout. Makes no difference if you take it with a Multi unless it is a multivitamin that has some sort of anti-inflamatory effect like a joint/flex complex (IE. Orange Triad).
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    In for Protocol pimping!! I think it stacks very nicely with the ArA + GMS.
    Like all I said earlier, all of it's ingredient play nice with Ara and if he were to go 4 scoops pwo that would be 30 servings in the tub for about $26. Each of those servings would contain:

    6.5g Leucine
    2g LCLT
    2g COP
    500mg Agmatine (may be slightly under dosed but pumps sure aren't going to be an issue here)

    Cheap additions to round out the pwo drink would be caffeine tabs, pwo samples on hand and bulk CM or BA. This is the way I would go, but it isn't my money. Jay has been gathering the supps for a few weeks too, so he may have already bought other stuff.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Dewey99 View Post
    Like all I said earlier, all of it's ingredient play nice with Ara and if he were to go 4 scoops pwo that would be 30 servings in the tub for about $26. Each of those servings would contain:

    6.5g Leucine
    2g LCLT
    2g COP
    500mg Agmatine (may be slightly under dosed but pumps sure aren't going to be an issue here)

    Cheap additions to round out the pwo drink would be caffeine tabs, pwo samples on hand and bulk CM or BA. This is the way I would go, but it isn't my money. Jay has been gathering the supps for a few weeks too, so he may have already bought other stuff.
    They better come out with our Costco sized bottles of SSv2 after all this pimping. This recommendation has the Celorza signature of approval.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    They better come out with our Costco sized bottles of SSv2 after all this pimping. This recommendation has the Celorza signature of approval.
    I wanted to bump that thread again but wasn't trying to be obnoxious!

    I would say if you have most things on hand then don't worry about grabbing protocol Jay just keep it in mind for future purchases if you do enjoy your ArA run.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    They better come out with our Costco sized bottles of SSv2 after all this pimping. This recommendation has the Celorza signature of approval.
    Waiting for the day I see Smitty at Costco handing out samples....

    Armando was going to do something with those unlabeled SSV2 bottles.....might be worth a discreet follow up.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Dewey99 View Post
    What do you still need to buy? If you haven't bought the LCLT, I think you should strongly consider the Protocol. Let me know and I can explain.
    Im good.i just bought LCLT by Allmax as well as creatine Mono 1000gms by Allmax...

    im gtg,so loaded up on supps.im good til the end of the summer 2013 that is,literally man. taking a big chnace with this supp thing,so far some solid results with some stuff i been using,so im not dissapointed.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Creatine can be taken anytime of the day, my recommendation would be any time after your workout...either post or some hours before it's the same...but the increased nutrient reception after a workout (usually lasts about 24hrs) is better for creatine anyway. Keep it to 1g LCLT and 1g ALCAR + XF + GMS pre-workout. Makes no difference if you take it with a Multi unless it is a multivitamin that has some sort of anti-inflamatory effect like a joint/flex complex (IE. Orange Triad).
    Ty,i been taking creatine for many years and i am very familiar with how i will use it and when to use and how much to use ,but Ty for the help..I am new to most supps but not bodybuilding ,dieting and the basic neccessities

    ive already got a joint supplement..ty as well for the pre workout stack,thats what i planned on running basically from most the advice ive gotten from this thread.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    I wanted to bump that thread again but wasn't trying to be obnoxious!

    I would say if you have most things on hand then don't worry about grabbing protocol Jay just keep it in mind for future purchases if you do enjoy your ArA run.
    just got the LCLt,but i been actually looking at the protocol on and off recently anyway,lol,as well as focus XT stim free =)

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    Ty,i been taking creatine for many years and i am very familiar with how i will use it and when to use and how much to use ,but Ty for the help..I am new to most supps but not bodybuilding ,dieting and the basic neccessities

    ive already got a joint supplement..ty as well for the pre workout stack,thats what i planned on running basically from most the advice ive gotten from this thread.
    That's good man, as long as you know (and do) what works best for you, that's all we want. For you to make the best progress possible, and knowing your body and what makes it respond the way you like it is half the battle!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    just got the LCLt,but i been actually looking at the protocol on and off recently anyway,lol,as well as focus XT stim free =)
    Can't go wrong with CF FXT or OG FXT , and I don't just say it because I was made a rep lol. I have had Focus XT for quite a while now and god do I love that stuff...
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    That's good man, as long as you know (and do) what works best for you, that's all we want. For you to make the best progress possible, and knowing your body and what makes it respond the way you like it is half the battle!


    Can't go wrong with CF FXT or OG FXT , and I don't just say it because I was made a rep lol. I have had Focus XT for quite a while now and god do I love that stuff...
    yes. like i have told u before,through PM..I been doing this now 7 years and with no more than the basic creatine,whey,multi and fish oil and food,lots of it =) and 1 cycle of HDROL!

    but when it comes to supps like ara,alcar ,carnitines,gms,erase etc etc,ill b the first to admit im retarded. So i listen to what everyone here tells me.

    I have spent a bit of money lately on supps and with no worries as i have had plenty of help from guys like u celorza,bolt,dewey,copper etc.....which makes me confident with your knowledge on supps and my own knowledge on training and diet,this can be a great thing!

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    Im good.i just bought LCLT by Allmax as well as creatine Mono 1000gms by Allmax...

    im gtg,so loaded up on supps.im good til the end of the summer 2013 that is,literally man. taking a big chnace with this supp thing,so far some solid results with some stuff i been using,so im not dissapointed.
    Allmax is good stuff at a good price.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Dewey99 View Post
    Allmax is good stuff at a good price.
    Absolutley man.

    -1000gms Creapure for $19.99
    -LCLT 120ct $14.99

    Cant beat it man

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Do your math , 2-3g ArA pre-workout on workout days + 5-8g GMS + 2g Carnitine Salt (any...LCLT and ALCAR would be ideal IMO) + 1g Agmatine Sulfate does a great combo.

    Keep Fish-oil away from the ArA dose please, makes it less effective.
    First time GMS user. I normally add about 10g of Citrulline Mallate with 1g agmatine to my pre-workout.
    Do you think the Citrulline would be overkill with the GMS? I don't want to explode!

  24. Quote Originally Posted by bakerwil View Post
    First time GMS user. I normally add about 10g of Citrulline Mallate with 1g agmatine to my pre-workout.
    Do you think the Citrulline would be overkill with the GMS? I don't want to explode!
    No you'll be gine.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by bakerwil View Post
    First time GMS user. I normally add about 10g of Citrulline Mallate with 1g agmatine to my pre-workout.
    Do you think the Citrulline would be overkill with the GMS? I don't want to explode!
    GMS is a whole different pump than from citrulline imo.

    Mike
    Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative

  26. Thanks for your responses. Looking forward to the results!

  27. Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post

    GMS is a whole different pump than from citrulline imo.

    Mike
    Agreed. First time using I was like WTF?!?!? It was OG WTF pump'd by ALRI....pretty fitting I'd say
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Agreed. First time using I was like WTF?!?!? It was OG WTF pump'd by ALRI....pretty fitting I'd say
    GMS pumps imo are like AAS pumps, except aas pumps are due to increased blood volumes whereas gms is increased plasma volumes. Same thing though

    Mike
    Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative
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