[the Cardinal]

i disagree completely
while intense training is important it is important because it breaks down your muscles and allows them to be rebuilt bigger
if you aren't resting nor eating enough, how are your muscles going to be rebuilt?
you don't grow in the gym, you grow when you rest, and you can't grow without fuel (food)

No offense, but are you disagreeing that a lot of special forces personnel and prisoners manage to gain size and strength with seemingly inadequate nutrition and rest?
I mean, maybe those facts can be easily explained away, but making an oft-repeated, "true-believer" statement that every weight training fool and his brother has heard, and to some extent accepts, doesn't cut it. I tend to believe my own eyes whether they are lying to me or not, and I'm curious as to people's theories as to why these groups of trainees tend to defy the widely accepted "advice" that you have been so kind to parrot.

[chasec]

they defy advice most likely due to the fact that some of them run a gram a week of test.

[chasec]

oh, and add the fact that they were probably genetic monsters before they even joined the force.

[Beelzebub]

oh, and add the fact that they were probably genetic monsters before they even joined the force.

basically yeah. the drop out rate is insane and whoever makes it has more than just heart.

[jjjd]

special forces prove the same thing that bulgarian training methods prove. that people with significant heart, genetics, drive, discipline and fearlessness (vs. people that constantly cry about being "hardgainers) can make world class gains AGAINST the bbing CW advice.

[dickwootton]

My girlfriends brother is a seal i can ask him what they ate during hell week. He is one bad A mother too. However he is the nicest most gentle-hearted people you have ever met. Great guy...I need to call him.
Dick

[RSX-S]

My girlfriends brother is a seal i can ask him what they ate during hell week. He is one bad A mother too. However he is the nicest most gentle-hearted people you have ever met. Great guy...I need to call him.
Dick

lol, Im sorry, I read that fast and thought you said that you needed to call him dick.

Im interested as well in knowing what they ate during that week. Bet it was horrible.

[Moyer]

amphetamines have been used long after WWII fwiw. they are still used in the military. and hopefully always will be. when being alert means LIVING, it's a no brainer

I remember a thing on the news a while ago about them using some sort of amphetamines to help with sleep deprivation. Of course they tried to make a big deal about it at first, but then they interviewed the troops. They all said it's ten times better to be fighting along side someone on amphetamines than someone halucinating from sleep deprivation or shaking uncontrollably from caffeine.

I also saw a different story about some drugs they prescribed troops that would make them immune to certain biological or chemical weapons. I don't know the name of the drug but apparently excessive aggression was a common side effect and their wives all knew to make themselves scarse on Tuesdays(when all the troops were given their weekly dose). They called them Psycho Tuesdays. Kinda funny, kinda scary...