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    Best non-stim creatine free preworkout supplement


    I am looking for something non-stim because they have to be cycled. Also no creatine because i am looking for strength gains, not mass. Which product is good for a sprinting, endurance breathing and focus? Also does it have to be cycled? I dont mind if I have to stack as long as it's not a bunch of pills. Does AppNut's RPM+Drive come in powder form?

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    Hemavol without a doubt! No need to cycle it and it tastes great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aluchez
    I am looking for something non-stim because they have to be cycled. Also no creatine because i am looking for strength gains, not mass. Which product is good for a sprinting, endurance breathing and focus? Also does it have to be cycled? I dont mind if I have to stack as long as it's not a bunch of pills. Does AppNut's RPM+Drive come in powder form?
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    Quote Originally Posted by antihero

    Caffeine-Free Focus XT
    Does it give you the Alpha feeling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aluchez View Post
    Does it give you the Alpha feeling?
    I think it could be described that way. I would describe it as being very calm (stim free), yet completely enthralled in the task at hand.

    Plus, regular use of nootropics is great for memory retention, and who couldn't use a good brain boost?
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    ...or you can just buy some stuff in bulk and make your own pre workout..Im doing that at the moment.Beta Alanine,Taurine,Creatine and LCLT.

    Not to take anything away from supp companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aluchez
    Also no creatine because i am looking for strength gains, not mass.
    Is this really your reason for not wanting creatine? you need to do some research on what creatine really does buddy. But to answer your question I would just buy your own bulk powders and make your own pwo. That's what I'm looking to do right now. Cit mal, beta alanine, agmatine,lclt. I like doing this because you can take it your concoction with any stim product you want, or even EC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aluchez View Post
    I am looking for something non-stim because they have to be cycled. Also no creatine because i am looking for strength gains, not mass. Which product is good for a sprinting, endurance breathing and focus? Also does it have to be cycled? I dont mind if I have to stack as long as it's not a bunch of pills. Does AppNut's RPM+Drive come in powder form?
    RPM and Drive do not come in powder form. There is actually a funny trend of people uncapping RPM. I have done it and it is a kick in the a$$.

    AS far as a completely non-stim powder goes, Hemavol is good and the new Protocol is worth a look too.
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    RPM and Drive

    I have had ppl reccomend this stack to me.i hear nothing but good things.who cares if its in pill form,if it does its job thats all the matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay888999 View Post
    RPM and Drive

    I have had ppl reccomend this stack to me.i hear nothing but good things.who cares if its in pill form,if it does its job thats all the matters.
    RPM does have caffeine in it though. Anybody wants to try samples of them, PM me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jswain34

    Is this really your reason for not wanting creatine? you need to do some research on what creatine really does buddy. But to answer your question I would just buy your own bulk powders and make your own pwo. That's what I'm looking to do right now. Cit mal, beta alanine, agmatine,lclt. I like doing this because you can take it your concoction with any stim product you want, or even EC.
    I'm a sprinter and I want to stay lean and as light as possible. I took creatine before and it wasnt pretty. Before creatine i was 175 right before the season started, while i was on it i fluctuated between 182-185 mid-season!!! Needless to say my times suffered because of it. So no creatine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jswain34

    Is this really your reason for not wanting creatine? you need to do some research on what creatine really does buddy. But to answer your question I would just buy your own bulk powders and make your own pwo. That's what I'm looking to do right now. Cit mal, beta alanine, agmatine,lclt. I like doing this because you can take it your concoction with any stim product you want, or even EC.
    My focus is being lean and light not bulky. Im a sprinter and I took creatine before. I started the season at 175 and after taking creatine i fluctuated between 182-185 midseason!!! Needless to say i my times suffered because of it. So no creatine lol. Sorry for the double post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewey99

    RPM and Drive do not come in powder form. There is actually a funny trend of people uncapping RPM. I have done it and it is a kick in the a$$.

    AS far as a completely non-stim powder goes, Hemavol is good and the new Protocol is worth a look too.
    I opened the capsules before and I payed for it with a long night of vomit and diarrhea. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by aluchez

    I'm a sprinter and I want to stay lean and as light as possible. I took creatine before and it wasnt pretty. Before creatine i was 175 right before the season started, while i was on it i fluctuated between 182-185 mid-season!!! Needless to say my times suffered because of it. So no creatine.
    Then you'll want to pick up some creatine ol phosphate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Then you'll want to pick up some creatine ol phosphate.
    This.

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    COP, LCLT, Cit Mal, Agmatine and Leucine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    COP, LCLT, Cit Mal, Agmatine and Leucine.
    Stimulant-free Focus XT + any or all of the above.
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    Pretty much the whole SNS baseline series lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23
    COP, LCLT, Cit Mal, Agmatine and Leucine.
    Protocol contains all of the above except for CM.
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    I would give hemavol a look. No creating and great doses of citrulline malate, agmatine, glycerol monostearate, and norvaline. Pumps and endurance from it are awesome. Also, look into Compete, it's designed as an intra-workout but can benefit any athlete. It has adequate doses of electrolytes for hydration, nootropic agents, whey hydrolysate for the aminos, and 2 forms of carnitine, which has really helped my endurance and recovery.
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    Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Then you'll want to pick up some creatine ol phosphate.

    Quote Originally Posted by aluchez View Post
    My focus is being lean and light not bulky. Im a sprinter and I took creatine before. I started the season at 175 and after taking creatine i fluctuated between 182-185 midseason!!! Needless to say i my times suffered because of it. So no creatine lol. Sorry for the double post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Why?
    COP isn't creatine if that is what you are wondering. If not then carry on.


    Genomyx Protocol plus high dosed Cit. Mal. (8-10g) or IForce Hemavol + Compete

    If you want more focus throw some ALCAR or Focus XT in with some combination of what I mentioned above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewey99

    Protocol contains all of the above except for CM.
    How much of all those, except citruline malate, of its in it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    How much of all those, except citruline malate, of its in it?
    One serving (2 scoops - 60 servings per tub):

    L-Leucine 3.25 g
    L-Carnitine L-Tartarate 1 g
    Creatinol-O Phospate 1 g
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    I think it's a great base to add other ingredients as desired (CM + BA?)
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    Why?
    Because, is awesome!

    Jk, it is awesome, bit ill have to get research to back up what I want to say, before I say it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    COP isn't creatine if that is what you are wondering.
    It's not? What is it LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    It's not? What is it LOL

    HELP
    It's Creatinol-O-Phosphate, increased time to fatigue, pretty beneficial for an athlete. Plus heart health benefits.

    If I were OP, I'd be using citrulline malate, COP, and caffeine free Focus XT. Would stay away from GMS personally.

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    Hemavol gets my vote. Has everything you are looking for, with a ton of solid reviews since its introduction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    Hemavol gets my vote. Has everything you are looking for, with a ton of solid reviews since its introduction.

    Mike
    Hemavol+COP is incredible also I might add.

    I like adding bulk CM and COP to Hemavol.
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    Caffeine free Focus XT, Caffeine free Ragnorok (blue razz was my favorite), Hemavol (tabs are great but I hated the powder), they are all good choices. I used to make my own preworkout cause you do it exactly the way you want but after Focus XT, I just started getting too lazy. Plus the focus flavors are great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf
    Caffeine free Focus XT, Caffeine free Ragnorok (blue razz was my favorite), Hemavol (tabs are great but I hated the powder), they are all good choices. I used to make my own preworkout cause you do it exactly the way you want but after Focus XT, I just started getting too lazy. Plus the focus flavors are great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aluchez
    I am looking for something non-stim because they have to be cycled. Also no creatine because i am looking for strength gains, not mass. Which product is good for a sprinting, endurance breathing and focus? Also does it have to be cycled? I dont mind if I have to stack as long as it's not a bunch of pills. Does AppNut's RPM+Drive come in powder form?
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Diggin the focus XT + COP and CM
    I have all of these. Just need to stack them together now, with some X-Gels for good measure!
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    Hemavol, Condense, Speed X3, Caf. Free Focus XT, And there is one more I keep forgetting.

    There may be a lot of threads on this.

    Compete sounds a good product and I still cannot remember the one name I am forgetting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf

    I have all of these. Just need to stack them together now, with some X-Gels for good measure!
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