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Best non-stim creatine free preworkout supplement

  1.  08-30-2012  05:18 AM
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    Originally Posted by Clickster
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    I would give hemavol a look. No creating and great doses of citrulline malate, agmatine, glycerol monostearate, and norvaline. Pumps and endurance from it are awesome. Also, look into Compete, it's designed as an intra-workout but can benefit any athlete. It has adequate doses of electrolytes for hydration, nootropic agents, whey hydrolysate for the aminos, and 2 forms of carnitine, which has really helped my endurance and recovery.
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    Why?

    Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Then you'll want to pick up some creatine ol phosphate.

    Originally Posted by aluchez View Post
    My focus is being lean and light not bulky. Im a sprinter and I took creatine before. I started the season at 175 and after taking creatine i fluctuated between 182-185 midseason!!! Needless to say i my times suffered because of it. So no creatine lol. Sorry for the double post.
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    Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Why?
    COP isn't creatine if that is what you are wondering. If not then carry on.


    Genomyx Protocol plus high dosed Cit. Mal. (8-10g) or IForce Hemavol + Compete

    If you want more focus throw some ALCAR or Focus XT in with some combination of what I mentioned above.

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    Originally Posted by Dewey99

    Protocol contains all of the above except for CM.
    How much of all those, except citruline malate, of its in it?

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    Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    How much of all those, except citruline malate, of its in it?
    One serving (2 scoops - 60 servings per tub):

    L-Leucine 3.25 g
    L-Carnitine L-Tartarate 1 g
    Creatinol-O Phospate 1 g
    Agmatine Sulfate 250 mg

    I think it's a great base to add other ingredients as desired (CM + BA?)

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    Originally Posted by Whacked
    Why?
    Because, is awesome!

    Jk, it is awesome, bit ill have to get research to back up what I want to say, before I say it.

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    Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    COP isn't creatine if that is what you are wondering.
    It's not? What is it LOL

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    Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    It's not? What is it LOL

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    It's Creatinol-O-Phosphate, increased time to fatigue, pretty beneficial for an athlete. Plus heart health benefits.

    If I were OP, I'd be using citrulline malate, COP, and caffeine free Focus XT. Would stay away from GMS personally.

    The FXT makes cardio much more bearable for me...
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    thk u
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    Hemavol gets my vote. Has everything you are looking for, with a ton of solid reviews since its introduction.

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    Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    Hemavol gets my vote. Has everything you are looking for, with a ton of solid reviews since its introduction.

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    Hemavol+COP is incredible also I might add.

    I like adding bulk CM and COP to Hemavol.

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    Caffeine free Focus XT, Caffeine free Ragnorok (blue razz was my favorite), Hemavol (tabs are great but I hated the powder), they are all good choices. I used to make my own preworkout cause you do it exactly the way you want but after Focus XT, I just started getting too lazy. Plus the focus flavors are great.
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    Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    Pretty much the whole SNS baseline series lol
    Pretty much lol
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    Originally Posted by kingjameskjf
    Caffeine free Focus XT, Caffeine free Ragnorok (blue razz was my favorite), Hemavol (tabs are great but I hated the powder), they are all good choices. I used to make my own preworkout cause you do it exactly the way you want but after Focus XT, I just started getting too lazy. Plus the focus flavors are great.
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    Originally Posted by aluchez
    I am looking for something non-stim because they have to be cycled. Also no creatine because i am looking for strength gains, not mass. Which product is good for a sprinting, endurance breathing and focus? Also does it have to be cycled? I dont mind if I have to stack as long as it's not a bunch of pills. Does AppNut's RPM+Drive come in powder form?
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    Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Diggin the focus XT + COP and CM
    I have all of these. Just need to stack them together now, with some X-Gels for good measure!
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    Hemavol, Condense, Speed X3, Caf. Free Focus XT, And there is one more I keep forgetting.

    There may be a lot of threads on this.

    Compete sounds a good product and I still cannot remember the one name I am forgetting!
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    Originally Posted by kingjameskjf

    I have all of these. Just need to stack them together now, with some X-Gels for good measure!
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