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  1. I might add this to my Sd and stano cycle :-h
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by boogerboy View Post
    6-8 weeks with an OTC PCT? I have always preferred to go serm if 5+ weeks. I will keep an eye on the logs, maybe some bloodwork from ptc pct will pop up
    If its just 17, then yes a OTC PCT will be enough.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    I might add this to my Sd and stano cycle :-h
    Go with our New 17-ProAndro......dry gains rock
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  4. Will there be a pill form of PH-17 i to am interested but i feel like the how many times u have to dose it would be to much an inconvenience for someone who works and goes to school.

  5. I have a bottle en route and i'm nervous about pct. I have a huge otc pct ready but people seem to push sarms. I had only grabbed a single bottle for 4 weeks but the consensus here seems to be 6-8 weeks. I'm worried that if I go more than 4 weeks at minimal dose I really will require a sarm. Any any advice?

    Just for accuracy sake my planned otc pct is:
    Forerunner labs Reboot
    SNS Bulbine
    PES Anabeta
    Athletix Titanium XL and Division 1
    Magnum Tonic
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  6. Just to clarify, they may suggest a serm, sarms are completely different.

    As far as your pct it looks maybe overkill, you can probably get away with Reboot and Anabeta. You can use the others in the future.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Anabro View Post
    I have a bottle en route and i'm nervous about pct. I have a huge otc pct ready but people seem to push sarms. I had only grabbed a single bottle for 4 weeks but the consensus here seems to be 6-8 weeks. I'm worried that if I go more than 4 weeks at minimal dose I really will require a sarm. Any any advice?

    Just for accuracy sake my planned otc pct is:
    Forerunner labs Reboot
    SNS Bulbine
    PES Anabeta
    Athletix Titanium XL and Division 1
    Magnum Tonic
    If your just going to use 17 for 6-8 weeks, an OTC pct will be all you need. I mean you can throw in other test boosters if you want. But something like our Form-XT will be enough.
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  8. Yeah I'm feeling ok with ther otc pct for 4 weeks cycle. But what if I were to grab 2 bottles and run minimal dose for 8 weeks instead? Am I incorrect in thinking the need for a serm would increase significantly? I know I'm being a baby here but it my first ph cycle. Tho I have ran a 4 week and a 6 week anavar cycle in the past with no issues. Any idea on how the ph-17 would compare. The anavar was low dose 40mg for 4 weeks and the second time 40/40/60/60/60/60. No sides and otc pct.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by ericool007 View Post
    Will there be a pill form of PH-17 i to am interested but i feel like the how many times u have to dose it would be to much an inconvenience for someone who works and goes to school.
    I understand your situation man, but I don't think 17 will be in a pill form, I don't know 100 percent...but I know BigMike and Rip would know for sure, they'll be in here soon.

    Our M1D Andro has a tablet form. It converts to Test + it has 3,5,7(erase) in it + Metabolism complex will potentiate any PH your using not to mention its Tendon strengthening / igf-1 benefits from it. All that will equal in fairly dry gains aswell.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Anabro View Post
    Yeah I'm feeling ok with ther otc pct for 4 weeks cycle. But what if I were to grab 2 bottles and run minimal dose for 8 weeks instead? Am I incorrect in thinking the need for a serm would increase significantly? I know I'm being a baby here but it my first ph cycle. Tho I have ran a 4 week and a 6 week anavar cycle in the past with no issues. Any idea on how the ph-17 would compare. The anavar was low dose 40mg for 4 weeks and the second time 40/40/60/60/60/60. No sides and otc pct.
    For 8 weeks(which is recommended) a OTC pct will be all you need if its just PH17 or 17ProAndro. You planning to run anything else with it?
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  11. Nope just by itself. Keep in mind I have no access to a proper serm so if things go bad I'm screwed.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Anabro View Post
    Nope just by itself. Keep in mind I have no access to a proper serm so if things go bad I'm screwed.
    by itself 6-8weeks youll be absolutely fine...pct just run your testbooster, or an AI +daa would rock

  13. Thanks for then input guys. What would br less suppressive, minimal dose for 8 weeks or higher dose for 6?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Anabro View Post
    Thanks for then input guys. What would br less suppressive, minimal dose for 8 weeks or higher dose for 6?
    8 doses for 6-8 weeks man, you will be fine. Even at at 8 doses for 8 weeks you probably won't get much suppression at all with just 17.

    Hold on whats your goals? To retain muscle while cutting right?(you will probably gain a tiny bit while cutting with 17 which is GREAT btw)
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by TheHardOne View Post
    Go with our New 17-ProAndro......dry gains rock
    What would be better for a trying to add a little bit of muscle on a cut along with og X-factor , PH-17 or 17 pro andro and i know you want to say both but if you had to choose lol.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by ericool007 View Post
    What would be better for a trying to add a little bit of muscle on a cut along with og X-factor , PH-17 or 17 pro andro and i know you want to say both but if you had to choose lol.
    I want to say PH19...but you may notice slight bloat from it, are you competing? If not im sure a little bloat won't hurt 19 is a legit mass builder.

    M1D Andro or 17ProAndro is what you would want if you want to stay dry as possible while still able to put on a tiny bit of mass during your cut.
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  17. Yeah a couple lbs of muscle while cutting would be brilliant. I'm interested how my body will react. .
    When I tried anavar 2 yrs ago at , 40/40/40/40 I actually gained 10 lbs. Which I know is unusual for anavar. Specially for sure a short low dose cycle. Only gear I've touched.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by TheHardOne View Post
    I understand your situation man, but I don't think 17 will be in a pill form, I don't know 100 percent...but I know BigMike and Rip would know for sure, they'll be in here soon.

    Our M1D Andro has a tablet form. It converts to Test + it has 3,5,7(erase) in it + Metabolism complex will potentiate any PH your using not to mention its Tendon strengthening / igf-1 benefits from it. All that will equal in fairly dry gains aswell.
    When are the new products coming to nutraplanet?!


    Don't mean to hijack the thread............Also, what would you think of running M1D Black with 11-oxo for a lean gains / cut? Dosing 3-4 caps per day, 11-oxo at 600mg with a pct of liquid nolva and a natty (obv having all the supports ect).

    Just looking for opinions

  19. bump for info

  20. How would PH-17 and Decasarm stack for a summer lean bulk/strength run? And would OTC PCT be good enough for an 8 week run using directed dosing for each? Thinking of this combo after a badly needed, nice long spring cut.

  21. Ok so thanks for the help guys. I have decided to run 3 bottles of ph-17 instead of just one.
    I also decided to play it safe and do a serm. A buddy pointed me to a apparently legit source for nolva that will shi to Canada.
    So my cycle will be as follows (any comments are appreciated.)

    Week 1: 80mg/4 doses

    Week 2: 100mg/5 doses

    Week 3: 120mg/ 6 doses

    Week 4: 140/7 doses

    Week 5: 140/ 7 doses

    Week 6: 140/ 7 doses

    Week 7: 160 / 8 doses

    Week 8: 160/ 8 doses

    PCT:
    Nolva 20/20/10/10
    Reboot
    Sns Bulbine
    Pes anabeta
    Athletix Division 1 & Titanium XL.

    Maybe overkill but I'm hopin to keep my gains and possiblly keep it going. Super excited.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by testomonsta View Post
    When are the new products coming to nutraplanet?!


    Don't mean to hijack the thread............Also, what would you think of running M1D Black with 11-oxo for a lean gains / cut? Dosing 3-4 caps per day, 11-oxo at 600mg with a pct of liquid nolva and a natty (obv having all the supports ect).

    Just looking for opinions
    Hmmm...im assuming any day now....our warehouse situation will get fixed soon.

    Looks good for what you want! Consistent gains while losing bodyfat!

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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Anabro View Post
    Ok so thanks for the help guys. I have decided to run 3 bottles of ph-17 instead of just one.
    I also decided to play it safe and do a serm. A buddy pointed me to a apparently legit source for nolva that will shi to Canada.
    So my cycle will be as follows (any comments are appreciated.)

    Week 1: 80mg/4 doses

    Week 2: 100mg/5 doses

    Week 3: 120mg/ 6 doses

    Week 4: 140/7 doses

    Week 5: 140/ 7 doses

    Week 6: 140/ 7 doses

    Week 7: 160 / 8 doses

    Week 8: 160/ 8 doses

    PCT:
    Nolva 20/20/10/10
    Reboot
    Sns Bulbine
    Pes anabeta
    Athletix Division 1 & Titanium XL.

    Maybe overkill but I'm hopin to keep my gains and possiblly keep it going. Super excited.
    Save that PCT for a later cycle. (when you start using injectables + orals + being on for long periods of time 12+ weeks)

    All you will need from running 17 even at 8 weeks is something like our Form-XT.

    Im a honest rep not one trying to BS people.....I gotta say...

    It looks like you have HUUUUUGE expectations running PH17, if your truly cutting, I would MAYBE expect to see a small amount of muscle by the time the cycle is over, and thats a maybe. It will do a fine job retaining muscle when going to an extreme for example...whats an "extreme"?..... HIIT 6-7x a week(20-30mins each), high volume(30-50 sets per bodypart) hypertrophy workouts 5-6 x a week and staying right at calorie maintenance or slightly below.

    If your going to run that PCT i'd run other PH's / DS's / injects along with it. If you want to play it extremely safe, i'd atleast go with our M1D Andro, PH19, 17ProAndro, you will have a Test base + small dose of an AI(3,5,7) + PH / hormone enhancers + cortisol controlling ingredients in the M1D, then very anabolic, metabolism boosting, insulin sensitivity boosting effects, fat oxidation effects of the PH19(slight bloat effects have been noted from users), and a light anabolic with no bloating + small dose of an AI(3,5,7) in the 17 / 17proandro(which will give you a drier appearance).

    Your PCT is good man, I don't want you to waste all that. Good thought / mindset to stay safe though!
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by boogyman View Post
    How would PH-17 and Decasarm stack for a summer lean bulk/strength run? And would OTC PCT be good enough for an 8 week run using directed dosing for each? Thinking of this combo after a badly needed, nice long spring cut.
    Logical combo. Make sure your hustlin' it with the HIIT and killin' it in the gym with lots of volume and intensity! For running both, i'd run a moderate PCT, Nolva for 4 weeks, 20,20,10,10, Form-XT, NMDA, L-Dopa(6 weeks on 6 off), ZMA, will be enough.

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  25. Quote Originally Posted by TheHardOne View Post

    Save that PCT for a later cycle. (when you start using injectables + orals + being on for long periods of time 12+ weeks)

    All you will need from running 17 even at 8 weeks is something like our Form-XT.

    Im a honest rep not one trying to BS people.....I gotta say...

    It looks like you have HUUUUUGE expectations running PH17, if your truly cutting, I would MAYBE expect to see a small amount of muscle by the time the cycle is over, and thats a maybe. It will do a fine job retaining muscle when going to an extreme for example...whats an "extreme"?..... HIIT 6-7x a week(20-30mins each), high volume(30-50 sets per bodypart) hypertrophy workouts 5-6 x a week and staying right at calorie maintenance or slightly below.

    If your going to run that PCT i'd run other PH's / DS's / injects along with it. If you want to play it extremely safe, i'd atleast go with our M1D Andro, PH19, 17ProAndro, you will have a Test base + small dose of an AI(3,5,7) + PH / hormone enhancers + cortisol controlling ingredients in the M1D, then very anabolic, metabolism boosting, insulin sensitivity boosting effects, fat oxidation effects of the PH19(slight bloat effects have been noted from users), and a light anabolic with no bloating + small dose of an AI(3,5,7) in the 17 / 17proandro(which will give you a drier appearance).

    Your PCT is good man, I don't want you to waste all that. Good thought / mindset to stay safe though!
    There is virtually no shutdown whatsoever lol I'm on it right now. Every single rep has said a serm isn't necessary with PH 17 but its your choice

  26. Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    There is virtually no shutdown whatsoever lol I'm on it right now. Every single rep has said a serm isn't necessary with PH 17 but its your choice
    Ive been on our PH's for 12 weeks now, no shutdown at all.
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  27. Would it help if I added in a bottle of ph-19 bout midway thru my cycle? Tren is also unmethylated correct? Would the 2 together put undue stress on the liver?
    On a side note, what if I were to take in more than maintenance calories?

    I gain mass real easy. Bout 2 yrs back before a vacay I ran one bottle of anavar for 25 day at 40mg. Super short cycle, low dose and I actually gained 10lbs. Went from 185-195lbs in 25 days. Not sure if it makes a difference. And perhaps u are correct. I'm probably expecting too much. But still, if I can gain a few lbs of lean solid muscle and also drop a few lbs, then I'll be a happy camper.

  28. Or would it be safe to run 4 weeks low dose ph-19 after my 8 or is 12 weeks askin for trouble?

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Anabro View Post
    Would it help if I added in a bottle of ph-19 bout midway thru my cycle? Tren is also unmethylated correct? Would the 2 together put undue stress on the liver?
    On a side note, what if I were to take in more than maintenance calories?

    I gain mass real easy. Bout 2 yrs back before a vacay I ran one bottle of anavar for 25 day at 40mg. Super short cycle, low dose and I actually gained 10lbs. Went from 185-195lbs in 25 days. Not sure if it makes a difference. And perhaps u are correct. I'm probably expecting too much. But still, if I can gain a few lbs of lean solid muscle and also drop a few lbs, then I'll be a happy camper.
    1)Yes it will help, i'd add it from Day 1.

    2)Its not Real tren, the compounds in PH19 gives the "end result" similar results to Tren, as in decreased bodyfat and added muscle mass

    3)None of these are hard on the liver

    4)for taking in more than maintenance calories then you will be more likely to spare muscle mass when you add on the cardio if not even put on more muscle mass, but this is just me speaking in general, i'd have to know more details

    What kind of and how much cardio will you be doing? And can you list your training and nutrition plan aswell?
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by Anabro View Post
    Or would it be safe to run 4 weeks low dose ph-19 after my 8 or is 12 weeks askin for trouble?
    Ive run our MMv3 + TesTren at the higher doses than label rec, then moved on to 17 at label rec, and now im using 19/17 at label rec for a total of 12 weeks and I have experienced no shutdown effects at all. You can run 17 then 19 for a total of 12 weeks, but monitor your progress / effects, everyone is different. Longer you go, that PCT stack you had designed would come in handy.

    I appreciate you being careful!
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