Jack3d Micro FORMULA help me breakdown.

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by USPowders

    I should send you a bottle. Labels are labels. We can sideline quarterback all day long on the impression of a formula. Putting it into play ultimately is the deciding factor.
    Love the analogy


  2. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    You got it (though please link me to data on the hypoglycemic effect. the osmotic effect in a saturated individual with low Cr-T can be detrimental, however).
    I know that Michael Gundill wrote it in one of his books with the references, I'll post them when I'll get home (in a month or so).
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  3. Definitely looks like a solid ingredient profile. I like citrulline, arginine nitrate, and Agmatine sulfate. The stim formula is intriguing and definitely makes me want to test it out.

  4. MY REVIEW: Tried 1.5 Scoops, didn't feel much of anything, mild pump and mild energy. Yesterday I bumped it up to 2 scoops, pretty much the same, mild pump and mild energy. They must have had A LOT of 1,3 in the original, I would take 1 - 1.5 scoops and be amp'ed.

    I guess I'll try 3 scoops just to see if it has a descent effect, not worth it IMO.

  5. FitModel how long prior to workout do you take Jack3d Micro? You also have to remember this shouldn't be compared to Jack3d. They are two very different pre-workout products. There will be some that will stick with Jack3d for the incredible burst of energy and drive. However, there are many that enjoy a smoother product, that is more pump based with a great performance boost as well.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by FitModel View Post
    MY REVIEW: Tried 1.5 Scoops, didn't feel much of anything, mild pump and mild energy. Yesterday I bumped it up to 2 scoops, pretty much the same, mild pump and mild energy. They must have had A LOT of 1,3 in the original, I would take 1 - 1.5 scoops and be amp'ed.

    I guess I'll try 3 scoops just to see if it has a descent effect, not worth it IMO.
    The great part is Jack3d can be purchased.

    Mild Pump, if the compounds in Micro don't give you a pump, not much hope for you outside anabolics and carbohydrates. How long before the workout did you use? 30-60 minutes is key.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by diezel View Post
    FitModel how long prior to workout do you take Jack3d Micro? You also have to remember this shouldn't be compared to Jack3d. They are two very different pre-workout products. There will be some that will stick with Jack3d for the incredible burst of energy and drive. However, there are many that enjoy a smoother product, that is more pump based with a great performance boost as well.
    Jack3d Energy= Has you speeding in the gym from exercsie to exercise.
    Jack3d Micro Energy= A more calculated focused thouhgt out effect in which you listen to every fiber contract on every rep. It's a different feel..The pump and intra set recovery is out of this world, for most.

    With this formula, I think we nailed both coustomers.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    You got it (though please link me to data on the hypoglycemic effect. the osmotic effect in a saturated individual with low Cr-T can be detrimental, however).
    So I asked Gundill what was the reference since I can't find it

    that was his response :
    "The ref is one of the things I keep to myself but it exists and you could still search you will not find it"

    Sure he always knows his thing, but that answer is weird.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by 3utcher View Post
    So I asked Gundill what was the reference since I can't find it

    that was his response :
    "The ref is one of the things I keep to myself but it exists and you could still search you will not find it"

    Sure he always knows his thing, but that answer is weird.
    or in short AKA it's my theory...

  10. Relax guys this isn't a debate, i'm simply giving my review.

    And usp powders u never did comment on my repeated requests for info on the mystery stimulants. Feel free to elaborate...

    One more thing, I do fell this product SHOULD be compared to the original...why? Because thats why people bought it, that's the product that made Usplabs famous, that's what product they are known for. If you (usp labs) wanted to make a completely new product then change the name and don't try to fool the less informed customers (and that is what ur doing, obviously ur not stupid)

    that's all.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by FitModel
    Relax guys this isn't a debate, i'm simply giving my review.

    And usp powders u never did comment on my repeated requests for info on the mystery stimulants. Feel free to elaborate...

    One more thing, I do fell this product SHOULD be compared to the original...why? Because thats why people bought it, that's the product that made Usplabs famous, that's what product they are known for. If you (usp labs) wanted to make a completely new product then change the name and don't try to fool the less informed customers (and that is what ur doing, obviously ur not stupid)

    that's all.
    Trying to fool less informed customers? The two products will sit side by side on the same shelf with a completely different ingredient profile, label and name. They are not trying to fool anybody, but instead give customers two completely different options.
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  12. i never used the original but i started using this product this week and it just feels SMOOTH.... I do a lot of super-sets late in my workout and i did not feel exhausted at all..

    Prior to this i have tried C4 for a pre workout and there is no comparison...

    No jitters, not speedy... Just a solid flow of energy. I dosed one scoop with some Gatorade powder.

    I must also add that i dont get alot of caffeine during the day, no coffee or soda or anything.

  13. Sounds ideal for someone looking for no or low stim. How strong are the stims? Could someone sensitive to stims use it?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    Trying to fool less informed customers? The two products will sit side by side on the same shelf with a completely different ingredient profile, label and name. They are not trying to fool anybody, but instead give customers two completely different options.
    First off, they won't for long, USP doesn't even manufacture the original anymore.

    and more importantly tell me how the name is "completely different" they added "micro" and made it smaller! It's simple marketing buddy, the company was created to make money, don't forget that (vital) little part.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by USPowders View Post
    The great part is Jack3d can be purchased.

    Mild Pump, if the compounds in Micro don't give you a pump, not much hope for you outside anabolics and carbohydrates. How long before the workout did you use? 30-60 minutes is key.
    Since you mention it - I had a great pump with iForce Hemavol. Great energy with MP Assault. And good combo of both from Scivation Novem. Luckily there is lots of hope outside of "anabolics and carbohydrates".

  16. Quote Originally Posted by FitModel

    First off, they won't for long, USP doesn't even manufacture the original anymore.

    and more importantly tell me how the name is "completely different" they added "micro" and made it smaller! It's simple marketing buddy, the company was created to make money, don't forget that (vital) little part.
    You have inside info on the manufacturing of jack3d? Because I have heard nothing about discontinuing production of jack3d.

  17. Hahaha. I stocked up on the Jack3d apple flavor from *** (w/ the 1,3 Dimeth). Still got SIX cans mutha****aaaaaas! Lol

  18. Quote Originally Posted by FitModel View Post
    Since you mention it - I had a great pump with iForce Hemavol. Great energy with MP Assault. And good combo of both from Scivation Novem. Luckily there is lots of hope outside of "anabolics and carbohydrates".
    Great...so there is hope for you.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by FitModel View Post
    First off, they won't for long, USP doesn't even manufacture the original anymore.

    and more importantly tell me how the name is "completely different" they added "micro" and made it smaller! It's simple marketing buddy, the company was created to make money, don't forget that (vital) little part.
    Name is different. Ingredients are different (caffeine onlyshared ingredient). Label is different. Serving size is different. Bottle size is different.

    Your manufacturing statement is pretend.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by FitModel View Post
    First off, they won't for long, USP doesn't even manufacture the original anymore.

    and more importantly tell me how the name is "completely different" they added "micro" and made it smaller! It's simple marketing buddy, the company was created to make money, don't forget that (vital) little part.
    YOU'RE RIGHT! Damn those evil USPlabs for trying to make money, earn a living and put food on the table for their families. Bastards!

    I think instead we should name you head Czar of the Dietary Supplement Fairness Department, where you can make sure all dietary supplements are labeled as you see fit and in accordindance to your definition of "fairness" all in the best interest of the consumer. But most importantly, you must make sure all supplement companies are non-profit organizations.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    YOU'RE RIGHT! Damn those evil USPlabs for trying to make money, earn a living and put food on the table for their families. Bastards!

    I think instead we should name you head Czar of the Dietary Supplement Fairness Department, where you can make sure all dietary supplements are labeled as you see fit and in accordindance to your definition of "fairness" all in the best interest of the consumer. But most importantly, you must make sure all supplement companies are non-profit organizations.
    HUH? You are clearly not understanding. And when did I ever say anything about "fairness" (hence your quote) I'm pointing out to you how marketing works pal, never did I say i found it a good, bad, evil, fair, method or anything of the sort.
    I think we should name you head Czar of the Trolls. Now please leave my thread since you clearly have nothing useful to contribute. Unless you want to explain your theory of USPLabs "completely" changing the name by adding Micro...that I still want to hear.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by USPowders View Post
    Name is different. Ingredients are different (caffeine onlyshared ingredient). Label is different. Serving size is different. Bottle size is different.

    Your manufacturing statement is pretend.
    Yes I already pointed our you added "Micro" and the serving size is "different" (smaller). And no one is debating the ingredients and label are different. Stop being so insecure, your representing a major company here act professional. Not everyone is going to love your product, christ.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by FitModel

    Yes I already pointed our you added "Micro" and the serving size is "different" (smaller). And no one is debating the ingredients and label are different. Stop being so insecure, your representing a major company here act professional. Not everyone is going to love your product, christ.
    I think its cute that you call someone else a troll and try to bash a quality Rep on this site while trolling and acting like a child..

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Jim2542

    I think its cute that you call someone else a troll and try to bash a quality Rep on this site while trolling and acting like a child..
    X2!

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Jim2542 View Post
    I think its cute that you call someone else a troll and try to bash a quality Rep on this site while trolling and acting like a child..
    Oh please.

  26. Wow, FitModel doesn't like Jacked Micro or the way USP does their marketing. That point has been made loud and clear. Guess USP needs to shut it's doors then. I have a tub of this showing up today and I will be giving it a go tomorrow. I am always expectantly excited when I purchase a new product. Have I been let down before by some? Of course I have. It was my decision to purchase it and I move on. With that being said, USP has enough time in this business to have accumulated some misses but they damn sure have knocked many more out of the park. It's like the saying goes: "Show me a man who hasn't failed-and I'll show you someone who has never tried". Oh yeah, they are in business to make money champ. Ok, off my soap box. Now where the heck is that mailman!! Lol
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  27. They are two totally different products.. If you just bs in the gym and don't acutally "train" and workout for performance..you prolly think this product sucks.... Jak3d Micro isn't for everybody...

    Come on..even little freshman highschooler's think OG Jak3d is the best thing that ever happened because its gets them all stimmed up

  28. Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Wow, FitModel doesn't like Jacked Micro or the way USP does their marketing. That point has been made loud and clear. Guess USP needs to shut it's doors then. I have a tub of this showing up today and I will be giving it a go tomorrow. I am always expectantly excited when I purchase a new product. Have I been let down before by some? Of course I have. It was my decision to purchase it and I move on. With that being said, USP has enough time in this business to have accumulated some misses but they damn sure have knocked many more out of the park. It's like the saying goes: "Show me a man who hasn't failed-and I'll show you someone who has never tried". Oh yeah, they are in business to make money champ. Ok, off my soap box. Now where the heck is that mailman!! Lol
    Actually I said the product was descent, and I don't care about the marketing, in fact calling it Jacked is a good idea from a marketing stand point. I guess I didn't make my point clear enough after all. If your still missing the point, you can re-read the initial thread post and you can also re-read my review of the product, which seems to be what sparked the backlash from USP and others (since I guess I didn't love the product and say how great it was)

  29. Quote Originally Posted by FitModel

    Actually I said the product was descent, and I don't care about the marketing, in fact calling it Jacked is a good idea from a marketing stand point. I guess I didn't make my point clear enough after all. If your still missing the point, you can re-read the initial thread post and you can also re-read my review of the product, which seems to be what sparked the backlash from USP and others (since I guess I didn't love the product and say how great it was)
    Nobody bashed you after the review. Everyone pointed out their differing experiences with it and made.their own observations. After a few of those you went.on to bash USP for their preying upon less informed consumers (the way I read your initial.marketing statement) and tried to start a fight with USPpowders because you didn't get the answer to every question you could think of on demand

  30. Ok, you weren't overly thrilled with the product and let everyone in on this great misfortune. I will definitely keep this in mind when I try mine.
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons
  

  
 

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