Best Pre Workout without Creatine 2012 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Invycktus
    Is Craze stim or non stim? I am confused
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post
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    Can some kind genius point me to a final list of what Tards' think are the best stim-creatine based and what are the best non stim-non creatine best?

    Or is this a new thread topic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    The pharmacokinetic differences between tablets and powder may very well change your periworkout response.
    Thanks for the input. Still don't think I'll go back however.

    Quote Originally Posted by StackedCop

    It's the same product just in powder form. I think the main issue with the tabs is users were not giving the tabs enough time to break down. Many users that didn't like the tabs seem to respond much better to the powder.
    Thanks, I was giving around 45 minutes for it before leaving for the gym plus hour long gym sessions. I dunno. Even worked up to the max dose and nothing. Went through the bottle way too fast at that rate as well.
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    Purus has ConDense out which is creatine free. I have not tried it but I was selected as a logger so you can follow my log and see how it goes. Bodyoctane is solid ass well

    I have also used Hemavol with great results. Check out my review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf View Post
    Part of it is a prop blend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf

    Part of it is a prop blend.

    NO2 Vasodilation Support Matrix: **
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    That is true but one.post suggested it as a whole was a prop blend
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    Quote Originally Posted by Invycktus View Post
    Is Craze stim or non stim? I am confused


    It is a stimulant. One hell of a stimulant too. Serving size is one scoop and I see no need to ever need more. One scoop and I'm ****ing ampd! My eyes were hard core wide open at the gym and I had loads of energy.

    Some pre-workouts give me heart burn or nausea, but Craze didn't. It also tastes pretty good too. Lil funky after taste though. BEST PRE-WORKOUT I'VE EVER TRIED!!
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