Best Pre Workout without Creatine 2012 ?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by StackedCop View Post
    Crush up some dexaprine and mix it in with hemavol. Hardcore
    Freak!! Lol
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons


  2. Not to get off topic, but is the new hemavol powerder the same as the pills? I used it when it first came out in pill form and never really got anything out of it, I am a bad responder I guess. It was reputable back then but now everyone seems to heap praise on it. Thanks.
    Log: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/226478-country-gets-huge.html#post3905023
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  3. Hemavol is deff a favorite here. Just can't justify 32 servings for $32 plus shipping. If cost was lowered then maybe. But I guess you make a better pre workout just using bulk stuff

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Callejul View Post
    Hemavol is deff a favorite here. Just can't justify 32 servings for $32 plus shipping. If cost was lowered then maybe. But I guess you make a better pre workout just using bulk stuff
    $1/sv isn't much if the product works.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by CountryLiftin View Post
    Not to get off topic, but is the new hemavol powerder the same as the pills? I used it when it first came out in pill form and never really got anything out of it, I am a bad responder I guess. It was reputable back then but now everyone seems to heap praise on it. Thanks.
    It's the same product just in powder form. I think the main issue with the tabs is users were not giving the tabs enough time to break down. Many users that didn't like the tabs seem to respond much better to the powder.

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  6. What if one scoop is not enough of
    product?
    Why not get CM and agmatine in bulk? Its definitely cheaper in the long haul. And you could possibly dose CM at 8g. Dose Agmatine 500 mg to 1 gram. And the prop blend in hemavol doesn't impress me in the least. Look I'm not saying its bad, it has a great profile and I have taken it with Clout for great pumps. But for the cash I wont buy a tub anytime soon.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by CountryLiftin View Post
    Not to get off topic, but is the new hemavol powerder the same as the pills? I used it when it first came out in pill form and never really got anything out of it, I am a bad responder I guess. It was reputable back then but now everyone seems to heap praise on it. Thanks.
    The pharmacokinetic differences between tablets and powder may very well change your periworkout response.

  8. GAT Nitraflex does the trick for me and it tastes good to boot.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Callejul
    What if one scoop is not enough of
    product?
    Why not get CM and agmatine in bulk? Its definitely cheaper in the long haul. And you could possibly dose CM at 8g. Dose Agmatine 500 mg to 1 gram. And the prop blend in hemavol doesn't impress me in the least. Look I'm not saying its bad, it has a great profile and I have taken it with Clout for great pumps. But for the cash I wont buy a tub anytime soon.
    Hemavol ain't a prop blend.
    ...::: Olympus Labs Athlete & Representative :::...
    Crossfit - DEMIGOD -

  10. Is Craze stim or non stim? I am confused
    MEM->DCA->PHL->MEM

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Invycktus
    Is Craze stim or non stim? I am confused
    Def stim
    Purus Labs Anabolic Titan/Rep
    Coach AB @ BossBody.net
    Puruslabs.net

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post
    Def stim

    Can some kind genius point me to a final list of what Tards' think are the best stim-creatine based and what are the best non stim-non creatine best?

    Or is this a new thread topic?
    MEM->DCA->PHL->MEM

  13. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    The pharmacokinetic differences between tablets and powder may very well change your periworkout response.
    Thanks for the input. Still don't think I'll go back however.

    Quote Originally Posted by StackedCop

    It's the same product just in powder form. I think the main issue with the tabs is users were not giving the tabs enough time to break down. Many users that didn't like the tabs seem to respond much better to the powder.
    Thanks, I was giving around 45 minutes for it before leaving for the gym plus hour long gym sessions. I dunno. Even worked up to the max dose and nothing. Went through the bottle way too fast at that rate as well.
    Log: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/226478-country-gets-huge.html#post3905023

  14. Purus has ConDense out which is creatine free. I have not tried it but I was selected as a logger so you can follow my log and see how it goes. Bodyoctane is solid ass well

    I have also used Hemavol with great results. Check out my review.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Hemavol ain't a prop blend.
    Part of it is a prop blend.

    NO2 Vasodilation Support Matrix: **
    L-Alpha-Glycerylphosphorylcholine, Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid), Rutacaerpine, Epimedium (20%) 150 mg
    Serious Nutrition Solutions rep

  16. Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf View Post
    Part of it is a prop blend.

    NO2 Vasodilation Support Matrix: **
    L-Alpha-Glycerylphosphorylcholine, Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid), Rutacaerpine, Epimedium (20%) 150 mg
    Boom roast.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf

    Part of it is a prop blend.

    NO2 Vasodilation Support Matrix: **
    L-Alpha-Glycerylphosphorylcholine, Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid), Rutacaerpine, Epimedium (20%) 150 mg
    That is true but one.post suggested it as a whole was a prop blend
    ...::: Olympus Labs Athlete & Representative :::...
    Crossfit - DEMIGOD -

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Invycktus View Post
    Is Craze stim or non stim? I am confused


    It is a stimulant. One hell of a stimulant too. Serving size is one scoop and I see no need to ever need more. One scoop and I'm ****ing ampd! My eyes were hard core wide open at the gym and I had loads of energy.

    Some pre-workouts give me heart burn or nausea, but Craze didn't. It also tastes pretty good too. Lil funky after taste though. BEST PRE-WORKOUT I'VE EVER TRIED!!
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