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    Question "All American Kre-Alkalyn EFX" or "Jack3d"


    Which is a better PWO, "All American Kre-Alkalyn EFX" or "Jack3d"? Use Jack3d & love it... About to try Kre-Alkalyn... Anyone tried this stuff & is it any good?



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    Jack3d is clearly a better preworkout than creatine...
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    Originally Posted by BLaQz View Post
    Which is a better PWO, "All American Kre-Alkalyn EFX" or "Jack3d"? Use Jack3d & love it... About to try Kre-Alkalyn... Anyone tried this stuff & is it any good?
    Jack3d is a better pre-workout and Kre-Alkalyn is terrible compared to other creatines.

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    What PWO would u recommend? The new Jack3d Micro is apparently pretty s*#t, so I'll avoid it as long as possible...

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    Preworkout wise depends on what your lookin for. Hemavol is good for pumps, I like NeuroSurge for drive and focus, Ultima is a good non stim. There's lot of good choices out there anymore.
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    Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    Preworkout wise depends on what your lookin for. Hemavol is good for pumps, I like NeuroSurge for drive and focus, Ultima is a good non stim. There's lot of good choices out there anymore.
    ^this. Hemavol is great for overall pumps and muscular endurance, and ultima is definitely another of my favorite non-stim products. If you're ok with stimulants than something like Maximize Intense would be a viable option. Other good one's are superpump max (not as stim heavy as maximize), and white flood.
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    Cheers guys... I got Hemavol & Superpump Max on it's way...

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    I cancelled my Hemavol order & went for Superpump Max & Sizeon instead... Apparently the two together is great, Superpump Max pre & Sizeon intra... Is this true?

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    Cancelled my order of Hemavol & got Superpump Max & Sizeon on the way instead... Apparently the two together is great, Superpump Max pre & Sizeon intra... Is this true?

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    I tried size on and got nothing from it, but it is also very different from hemavol.

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    def not Kre-Alkalyn, if u read up Kre-Alkalyn is suppose to be the big new thing when it comes to creatine, its suppose to help you gain lean muscle with out retaining water, from my personal use it didnt do a thing for me, creatine in general does nothing for me but put water weight on that just falls off as soon as i stop. You are proly going to have to just do some trial and error to find you a good pwo, i starded off with jacked 3d and loved it. I now cant take it cause it does nothing for me. I now am using 1mr and love it. I try to not use a preworkout every day because like with the jacked i tend to start not getting the effects from it. I use a pwo for a week then switch to caffein based fat burner and it helps me to not become immune. You also may want something that is not caffeinated but idk what your goals are i personally love the tingleing feeling you get from the caffeine based pwo, hope this helps

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    Originally Posted by tyrub42
    I tried size on and got nothing from it, but it is also very different from hemavol.
    Sizeon combined with Superpump Max or another PWO? Won't take Sizeon alone... Because it's suppose to be taken post workout, but apparently acts quick enough to take intra...

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    Kswiss definitely has a point about not using a PWO every day. For me, they lose potency if I use them more than 3 times/week (4 times MAX). Not sure about the caffeine-related tingling though. I think that sensation might be coming from beta alanine, which give most ppl a tingling sensation (which I hate, but many people love it or quickly get used to it).

    For the record, a friend of mine here in TW started a Fight sport equipment company and imports only EFX stuff. I tried that stuff the OP was talking about. It is just a pill full of Kre-Alkalyn and caffeine. It gave me the same boost that taking caffeine normally would, and the stuff seems to be very overpriced for what it is. The same company does make a genuine PWO powder though. I haven't tried it yet, but there is a sample jug at the BJJ club that I should get around to trying. That looks ok. Nothing too special as far as stims go (just come caffeine I think), but it has a lot of decent ingredients without any proprietary blends so you know exactly what you are getting. Not sure what the price is but so far that company's stuff seems overpriced in general.

    I haven't actually tried Hemavol yet, but I have a sample waiting for me when I get back to the states (thanks, iForce!) and I hear only good things about it. If you have the money, I would recommend that plus a serving of your favorite stim-based PWO if you require stims (I can't wait to try Maximize V2 with Hemavol...I am expecting great things since just the Maximize gets me very pumped already). I recommend Maximize V2, and the Intense version is probably even better but I haven't tried it yet. You don't need much; I use 1/4-1/3 of a serving and get a great, clear-headed focused energy. I personally think Superpump 250 was VERY lame, but haven't tried the newer version of it. Your mileage may vary but if you want to get two things that will work well together I would try one of these three things:

    -Maximize + Hemavol (most expensive option but you get what you pay for)
    -Maximize + Agmatine (look on NP for cheap Agmatine...it is the most important ingredient in Hemavol as far as pumps go I believe, and will be a few bucks cheaper than the Hemavol)
    -Hemavol + the cheapest stim product you can find (since the Hemavol will cover the pump, you really just need to worry about the stims...still though, at the price it is now, Maximize Intense at NP is super cheap...some other options would be other stuff on clearance at NP like thermogum or whatever else you find that has a lot of stims and is cheap)

    Good luck!

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    P.S.- After you try the sizeon run, take a break, and then repeat the experiment with regular creatine intra (you can put a little sugary stuff like gatorade etc in there too if you want) and compare your results. You might find the sizeon was better, or you might find that regular creatine works just as well for a lot less money.

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    Originally Posted by kswiss
    def not Kre-Alkalyn, if u read up Kre-Alkalyn is suppose to be the big new thing when it comes to creatine, its suppose to help you gain lean muscle with out retaining water, from my personal use it didnt do a thing for me, creatine in general does nothing for me but put water weight on that just falls off as soon as i stop. You are proly going to have to just do some trial and error to find you a good pwo, i starded off with jacked 3d and loved it. I now cant take it cause it does nothing for me. I now am using 1mr and love it. I try to not use a preworkout every day because like with the jacked i tend to start not getting the effects from it. I use a pwo for a week then switch to caffein based fat burner and it helps me to not become immune. You also may want something that is not caffeinated but idk what your goals are i personally love the tingleing feeling you get from the caffeine based pwo, hope this helps
    Forget Jack3d! I seem to crash way too soon after taking it...
    Caffeine not a big fan...
    I'm not going to be relying on the Kre-alkalyn, but I'm taking 9g workout days & 6g off days because well I have a bottle here, & I see results... Subtle, but noticeable to myself & others... I have seen many reviews on this Kre-alkalyn & seems people either get results or don't...Mouth gets dry as hell through if I miss a glass of water every 15-20mins... That's all I'm taking until Tuesday when my order of Superpump Max & Sizeon arrive...
    Like you said, trial & error...

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    Originally Posted by BLaQz View Post
    Sizeon combined with Superpump Max or another PWO? Won't take Sizeon alone... Because it's suppose to be taken post workout, but apparently acts quick enough to take intra...
    I took it back when it was "revolutionary" and "changing the way creatine works." etc... They got my money and I used it exactly as directed expecting great things and then felt like a tool for falling for it. I forgot what PWO I was using at the time but def not SPMax as it wasn't out then. However, Sizeon is for totally different putposes than any preworkout, so there won't be any synergy between them. Sizeon is supposed to help you absorb more creatine and therefore grow/get stronger, whereas PWOs are supposed to get more blood flowing during your workouts (pump) and most nowadays also have a lot of stims for extra energy when working out. Sorry for not clarifying that in the original post. Also, the Sizeon I used was the first version if that helps.

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    I just checked the ingredient list on NP. Seems like you could get the same thing by mixing 10g BCAA and 5g Creatine right after your workout and eating a piece of fruit with your protein shake/post workout meal. Just my opinion though. You can probably tell I am not a strong supporter of sizeon, but I am sure many people feel differently.

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    Originally Posted by tyrub42
    Kswiss definitely has a point about not using a PWO every day. For me, they lose potency if I use them more than 3 times/week (4 times MAX). Not sure about the caffeine-related tingling though. I think that sensation might be coming from beta alanine, which give most ppl a tingling sensation (which I hate, but many people love it or quickly get used to it).

    For the record, a friend of mine here in TW started a Fight sport equipment company and imports only EFX stuff. I tried that stuff the OP was talking about. It is just a pill full of Kre-Alkalyn and caffeine. It gave me the same boost that taking caffeine normally would, and the stuff seems to be very overpriced for what it is. The same company does make a genuine PWO powder though. I haven't tried it yet, but there is a sample jug at the BJJ club that I should get around to trying. That looks ok. Nothing too special as far as stims go (just come caffeine I think), but it has a lot of decent ingredients without any proprietary blends so you know exactly what you are getting. Not sure what the price is but so far that company's stuff seems overpriced in general.

    I haven't actually tried Hemavol yet, but I have a sample waiting for me when I get back to the states (thanks, iForce!) and I hear only good things about it. If you have the money, I would recommend that plus a serving of your favorite stim-based PWO if you require stims (I can't wait to try Maximize V2 with Hemavol...I am expecting great things since just the Maximize gets me very pumped already). I recommend Maximize V2, and the Intense version is probably even better but I haven't tried it yet. You don't need much; I use 1/4-1/3 of a serving and get a great, clear-headed focused energy. I personally think Superpump 250 was VERY lame, but haven't tried the newer version of it. Your mileage may vary but if you want to get two things that will work well together I would try one of these three things:

    -Maximize + Hemavol (most expensive option but you get what you pay for)
    -Maximize + Agmatine (look on NP for cheap Agmatine...it is the most important ingredient in Hemavol as far as pumps go I believe, and will be a few bucks cheaper than the Hemavol)
    -Hemavol + the cheapest stim product you can find (since the Hemavol will cover the pump, you really just need to worry about the stims...still though, at the price it is now, Maximize Intense at NP is super cheap...some other options would be other stuff on clearance at NP like thermogum or whatever else you find that has a lot of stims and is cheap)

    Good luck!

    Best,
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    P.S.- After you try the sizeon run, take a break, and then repeat the experiment with regular creatine intra (you can put a little sugary stuff like gatorade etc in there too if you want) and compare your results. You might find the sizeon was better, or you might find that regular creatine works just as well for a lot less money.
    I only take PWO(when I have it) on harder workout days only... The beta-alanine & caffeine cause me jitters & I don't like it at all... My Jack3d is all clumped up because I stopped using it... Coffee alone gives me jitters...
    I'm going to try this combo of Max & Sizeon, switch to creatine when Sizeon is finished, then I'll try Hemavol + a good stim...
    Does that thermogum actually work? I was a bit sceptical when I saw that stuff...

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    Originally Posted by BLaQz View Post
    I only take PWO(when I have it) on harder workout days only... The beta-alanine & caffeine cause me jitters & I don't like it at all... My Jack3d is all clumped up because I stopped using it... Coffee alone gives me jitters...
    I'm going to try this combo of Max & Sizeon, switch to creatine when Sizeon is finished, then I'll try Hemavol + a good stim...
    Does that thermogum actually work? I was a bit sceptical when I saw that stuff...

    No idea to be honest, but I got 5 packs since they are a dollar each now and the reviews are great. They are waiting for me in NY when I go to visit family (looks like we are both playing the international shipping game and if Aus is anything like TW shipping charges and customs are no fun, so I am happy to be avoiding them on my most recent order)

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    Originally Posted by tyrub42

    No idea to be honest, but I got 5 packs since they are a dollar each now and the reviews are great. They are waiting for me in NY when I go to visit family (looks like we are both playing the international shipping game and if Aus is anything like TW shipping charges and customs are no fun, so I am happy to be avoiding them on my most recent order)
    If it was all available locally & not so different in price from state to state, country to country, I'd just go out & buy all of it as wanted, but such is life when u don't agree with some of the bull**** prices out there...

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    Cheers all, got heaps of info here... Much appreciated real world opinions... We all know that the companies all say their products work better than the rest...

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