X-Factor (Arachadonic Acid)

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  1. X-Factor (Arachadonic Acid)


    Errrrrr

    1) Isn't the purpose of the Ara-acid to promote inflammation? If so,m then why does the new formula add potent anti-inflammatories

    X-Factor Advanced Proprietary Anabolic Formula ARASYN™ 40% Arachidonic Acid Oil in a proprietary fatty acid/oil blend, Ultra Purified Omega-3 concentrated in fish oil, Boswellia Serrata Resin 18%.

    2) Dosing says 4 serving of 1 cap/day and with meals

    Errrr wouldnt it make more sense to take it pre-w/o (maybe post) and be done?

    3) If you do the IM/Warrier Diet (I dont but a modification of it), will 3 caps (3 grams of fat) break the fast?
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Errrrrr

    1) Isn't the purpose of the Ara-acid to promote inflammation? If so,m then why does the new formula add potent anti-inflammatories

    X-Factor Advanced Proprietary Anabolic Formula ARASYN™ 40% Arachidonic Acid Oil in a proprietary fatty acid/oil blend, Ultra Purified Omega-3 concentrated in fish oil, Boswellia Serrata Resin 18%.

    2) Dosing says 4 serving of 1 cap/day and with meals

    Errrr wouldnt it make more sense to take it pre-w/o (maybe post) and be done?

    3) If you do the IM/Warrier Diet (I dont but a modification of it), will 3 caps (3 grams of fat) break the fast?
    1) Idk but I enjoyed the original more than XFA. Will use original version from now on for my own runs of ArA.

    2) Had good results with spread out dosing. Had better results with GMS + Carnitine and dosing all pre-workout.

    3) Most of these diets also allow for a certain amount of trace calories during the "fasting" portion of the diet and it isn't really spiking insulin (how I believe most define breaking the fast) to any discernible amount anyways (but I am no fasting guru so maybe I am wrong ). Lastly, it is probably highly irrelevant in terms of ruining your fast because of some ArA pre-workout.
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  3. Thanks bolt

    What type of GMS did you use? Ditto - Carnitine (PLCAR, ALCAR...?)

    And you are stating that GMS+Carnitine was better than the ORIGINAL X-factor too?
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  4. Mr. Cooper said take it WO days only, centered around the WO.....He posted this when I was complaining about the price and high dosage (4X7 days).....

  5. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    Mr. Cooper said take it WO days only, centered around the WO.....He posted this when I was complaining about the price and high dosage (4X7 days).....
    this dosing scheme will work well and will still allow you to take anti-inflammatory aids such as fish oils, antioxidants, more easily.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    this dosing scheme will work well and will still allow you to take anti-inflammatory aids such as fish oils, antioxidants, more easily.
    I wonder how effective the stuff really is? it seems like I've heard about it for a decade or more now, and rarely if ever see it in supplement form. there are smart people behind the product, so it must be worthwhile.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Thanks bolt

    What type of GMS did you use? Ditto - Carnitine (PLCAR, ALCAR...?)

    And you are stating that GMS+Carnitine was better than the ORIGINAL X-factor too?
    If you search around the net you can find some good stuff (all with extra in depth science on the subject) at bb.com if that is the kind of stuff you like (from your posts I believe you do use quite a bit of research background for your supplement choices). Also, this thread on AM is of interest: SNS Releases X-Gels, the strongest natural anabolic out there!

    Those threads can explain WHY the additions are beneficial if that is what you want (and would do much more justice than my brief comments on the subject), but as far as type:
    GMS- Any source of Glycerol Monostearate should do as long as it is roughly 6g of it. 3 scoops of Controlled Labs Glycergrow is the simplest and most common source of this I tend to see people use (and what I do personally).
    Carnitine- 2g of any should be fine as well. I typically use whatever Carnitine I currently have available to meet this requirement (used ALCAR on the last run and the time before that both PLCAR and LCLT).

    Finally, any run of ArA will be better off with GMS+Carnitine IMO based off my own results and the science behind their inclusions.

  8. so 2g LCLT (or other carnitine), 6 grams GMS, and the AA....how many caps did you take per day? I was thinking maybe 4 on WO days and 2 on non-WO days? or 4 all the way through? also how many weeks did you run this? anything else you find useful on the cycle?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    so 2g LCLT (or other carnitine), 6 grams GMS, and the AA.... Yes take the Carnitine, GMS, and entire ArA dose 30-60 minutes pre-workout an a relatively empty stomach (just make sure you haven't eaten too close to your workout, 60-90 minutes after a meal should be fine).

    how many caps did you take per day? I was thinking maybe 4 on WO days and 2 on non-WO days? or 4 all the way through? If you workout at least 4 times per week you can get away with only dosing on workout days and possibly dosing higher. I personally did 6 caps on workout days. Then only dosed 2 caps on off days for the first week or two just until the ArA had built up (this is probably unnecessary given higher dosing on workout days but I had extra so I said why not).

    also how many weeks did you run this? anything else you find useful on the cycle? I ran it for roughly 6 weeks I believe. Depends on preference but the dosing only on workout days could theoretically increase the run time. In general just make sure to dose as outlined already and on a relatively empty stomach. Anything else is secondary. Agmatine and Nitrates may enhance the effects (and make the already insane pump beyond comprehension ).
    Answered above in bold. Keep in mind that ArA tends to increase DOMS and therefore you may be pretty sore once it fully "kicks in". Finally, try to avoid anti-inflammatory products around the consumption of ArA (ie. around workouts), but you should be fine if these kind of ingredients are taken away from the ArA intake. Hope all that was helpful, I know it is a lot to take in.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Answered above in bold. Keep in mind that ArA tends to increase DOMS and therefore you may be pretty sore once it fully "kicks in". Finally, try to avoid anti-inflammatory products around the consumption of ArA (ie. around workouts), but you should be fine if these kind of ingredients are taken away from the ArA intake. Hope all that was helpful, I know it is a lot to take in.
    Thanks! yeah at 4 and 2 caps you get 4 1/2 weeks out of one bottle working out 4 times per week....kind of a c0ckeyed cycle length ...I think 2 bottles would be mandatory to run it 6 weeks which seems more reasonable, but at least the LCLT and GMS are pretty cheap. or maybe a 4-5 week cycle, and one bottle will suffice? we'll see....thanks again....

  11. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    Thanks! yeah at 4 and 2 caps you get 4 1/2 weeks out of one bottle working out 4 times per week....kind of a c0ckeyed cycle length ...I think 2 bottles would be mandatory to run it 6 weeks which seems more reasonable, but at least the LCLT and GMS are pretty cheap. or maybe a 4-5 week cycle, and one bottle will suffice? we'll see....thanks again....
    Ya back when there was only Original X-factor in 100ct bottles I used 2 bottles per run. The new 60ct bottles make things a little more random dosing wise, but it just forces me to keep my math skills sharp.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    I wonder how effective the stuff really is? it seems like I've heard about it for a decade or more now, and rarely if ever see it in supplement form. there are smart people behind the product, so it must be worthwhile.
    I took the stuff maybe 4 or 5 (maybe more) years ago when it was part of Battle Fuel. Stuff had me sore as hell. I don't remember if I had gains or not using it because I was on other stuff as well. Used Battle Fuel for one year straight, even on cycle. Not sure if the sorness went away, or if I just got accustomed to it...

  13. Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Ya back when there was only Original X-factor in 100ct bottles I used 2 bottles per run. The new 60ct bottles make things a little more random dosing wise, but it just forces me to keep my math skills sharp.
    you think the ArA and LCLT would stack well with ostarine?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    you think the ArA and LCLT would stack well with ostarine?
    Honestly don't even know what Ostarine is, sorry.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by southsideguy View Post
    I took the stuff maybe 4 or 5 (maybe more) years ago when it was part of Battle Fuel. Stuff had me sore as hell. I don't remember if I had gains or not using it because I was on other stuff as well. Used Battle Fuel for one year straight, even on cycle. Not sure if the sorness went away, or if I just got accustomed to it...
    yeah it sucks when you stack so much stuff, hard to tell what worked and what didn't....but the soreness is an indicator its doing PART of what its intended or supposed to do...the bad part .....

  16. Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Honestly don't even know what Ostarine is, sorry.
    Oh its a SARM....its not wise to use it with any PH/DS or AAS since it might compete for receptors and what have you....but I know LCLT will be beneficial to use with osta, not sure if ArA would work well with it or not though....seems it would be fine....better question for anabolics section actually ....

  17. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    I wonder how effective the stuff really is? it seems like I've heard about it for a decade or more now, and rarely if ever see it in supplement form. there are smart people behind the product, so it must be worthwhile.
    it ranks up there with being one of the best natural anabolics. Stack it with some test boosters and the GMS and carnitines and you got yourself a totally wicked natural stack.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    yeah it sucks when you stack so much stuff, hard to tell what worked and what didn't....but the soreness is an indicator its doing PART of what its intended or supposed to do...the bad part .....
    Agreed...

  19. Quote Originally Posted by southsideguy View Post
    Agreed...
    probably a good idea to focus in on products you know that work, take them indivudally to judge and then stack them.
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  20. Thanks fellas

    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    Mr. Cooper said take it WO days only, centered around the WO.....He posted this when I was complaining about the price and high dosage (4X7 days).....

    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    If you search around the net you can find some good stuff (all with extra in depth science on the subject) at bb.com if that is the kind of stuff you like (from your posts I believe you do use quite a bit of research background for your supplement choices). Also, this thread on AM is of interest: SNS Releases X-Gels, the strongest natural anabolic out there!

    Those threads can explain WHY the additions are beneficial if that is what you want (and would do much more justice than my brief comments on the subject), but as far as type:
    GMS- Any source of Glycerol Monostearate should do as long as it is roughly 6g of it. 3 scoops of Controlled Labs Glycergrow is the simplest and most common source of this I tend to see people use (and what I do personally).
    Carnitine- 2g of any should be fine as well. I typically use whatever Carnitine I currently have available to meet this requirement (used ALCAR on the last run and the time before that both PLCAR and LCLT).

    Finally, any run of ArA will be better off with GMS+Carnitine IMO based off my own results and the science behind their inclusions.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Thanks fellas
    I thought you'd kick our asses for hijacking your thread, but we stayed 100% relevant to your subject....just off on a few tangents

    you gonna try this stuff? if so, what will your dosing scheme be?

  22. LOL al good - haha I do it to everyone else all the time

    Yup. Just ordered both PLCAR and GMS

    Will post up in a week after ive tried them

    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    I thought you'd kick our asses for hijacking your thread, but we stayed 100% relevant to your subject....just off on a few tangents

    you gonna try this stuff? if so, what will your dosing scheme be?
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    LOL al good - haha I do it to everyone else all the time

    Yup. Just ordered both PLCAR and GMS

    Will post up in a week after ive tried them
    cooooool....... I want to try it out too...but gotta stay on track with what I was intending on doing the next 4 months, and run this stuff later.....or not if you say it sucks .......

  24. Woot woot

    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    cooooool....... I want to try it out too...but gotta stay on track with what I was intending on doing the next 4 months, and run this stuff later.....or not if you say it sucks .......
    Why not SF: Will you elaborate for us?

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperFreak95 View Post
    Don't waste your money on this product not as good as claims.
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  25. Presently taking creatine, daa with LCLT, and bcaa. I was planning on starting osta rx this week. Could i also add afactor or xgels into the mix. I also like the idea of just using xfactor on training days which is four days a week. What would be the best dose to take if i choose just to use on training days..mg wise..sj

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Errrrrr

    1) Isn't the purpose of the Ara-acid to promote inflammation? If so,m then why does the new formula add potent anti-inflammatories

    X-Factor Advanced Proprietary Anabolic Formula ARASYN™ 40% Arachidonic Acid Oil in a proprietary fatty acid/oil blend, Ultra Purified Omega-3 concentrated in fish oil, Boswellia Serrata Resin 18%.

    2) Dosing says 4 serving of 1 cap/day and with meals

    Errrr wouldnt it make more sense to take it pre-w/o (maybe post) and be done?

    3) If you do the IM/Warrier Diet (I dont but a modification of it), will 3 caps (3 grams of fat) break the fast?
    1. Yes, the OG X-factor is IMO superior to XFA. I understand that these are not clinical anti-inflammatories, but there is no debate the omega-3s compete for uptake with ArA.

    2. Meals would not be a good time to take ArA since insulin favors deposition in adipose tissue vs muscle. Take it around 90 minutes after eating or totally fasted (on off days). On workout days, take all the caps preworkout.

    3. Fast-breaking typically refers to insulin. Since ArA won't have insulinogenic activity, it won't break the fast.

    XF is a great product...one of my favorite ever. You will enjoy it.

  27. Nice. THanks Coop
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by SuppJunkie View Post
    Presently taking creatine, daa with LCLT, and bcaa. I was planning on starting osta rx this week. Could i also add afactor or xgels into the mix. I also like the idea of just using xfactor on training days which is four days a week. What would be the best dose to take if i choose just to use on training days..mg wise..sj
    yes, this would be a great stack. Take your full dose pre workout on an empty stomach like Mr. Cooper said above me. Makes for some epic pumps. I would start at 1g and see how you like it. People usually dose between 1-1.5g. Get a calcium supp and take 1g/day on your workout days as well.
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    I wonder how effective the stuff really is? it seems like I've heard about it for a decade or more now, and rarely if ever see it in supplement form.
    cost vs kick. taking ara at 1-1.5g a day is pretty pricey, and outside of taking it all preworkout you don't feel anything for 2-3 weeks. but taking it all preworkout may be less conducive to overall body comp changes (not sure it is, but it may be). Its a lot easier for a supplement company to give you something cheap (even if its ineffective for real body comp changes) that gives you day 1 feel - caffeine, DMAA, etc.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    cost vs kick. taking ara at 1-1.5g a day is pretty pricey, and outside of taking it all preworkout you don't feel anything for 2-3 weeks. but taking it all preworkout may be less conducive to overall body comp changes (not sure it is, but it may be). Its a lot easier for a supplement company to give you something cheap (even if its ineffective for real body comp changes) that gives you day 1 feel - caffeine, DMAA, etc.
    yeah I'm with you on that....it seems the pre-WO and stim supps are all the rage now....instant gratification and relatively cheap (not my thing)....something effective that changes your body comp over weeks and months and is expensive does not appeal to some folks, but I understand by now this is the better option.....
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