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Talking strictly for strength and performance , which non stim pre workout is the best in this category?
BodyForge for sure. It tastes amazing too.Talking strictly for strength and performance , which non stim pre workout is the best in this category?
PLCAR is a nice stim-free option for physical energy. Ultima comes second to clout for strengthIve heard good things about plcar in terms of strength and endurance, anyone have any experience with it?
hemavol, but a pre workout wont give you strength. just energy/pump. your results come from diet and trainingTalking strictly for strength and performance , which non stim pre workout is the best in this category?
Research shows that citrulline malate at 8g increases the strength threshold. Likewise for 600mg Alpha-GPC.hemavol, but a pre workout wont give you strength. just energy/pump. your results come from diet and training
This is not stim-free.I really recommend trying swollen by nutrabolics.
For energy?Clout is king in this respect.
No, for strengthFor energy?
Ya Body Octane is great as well. I notice more "endurance" like benefits from Cit Mal and Beta Alanine (plus its other goodies) than strength compared to the ingredients in Clout, but as far as stim free Pre-workouts go it is in the upper echelon IMO.How about MAN body octane?? Really digging the ingredient profile.. Thinking of using it as part of a "hormone" free 4 weeks.. Thinking I need a little detox after this cut I'm on and before gearin up for fall recomp n lean bulk
Have used it and still plan to continue to.. Just experimenting.. Like trying different things.Just get your self Agmatine and take 750mg-1g of it. Trust me even the guys in the dark side use it all the time.
A. It wouldn't matterWill body octane illicit an insulin response (I train fasted) so I tend to never use powder/liquid Pre workouts..
I don't see how it would unless there's something in the filler ingredients..
No carrots Pre training! JkA. It wouldn't matter
B. L-aspartic acid would elicit an insulin response equivalent to a baby carrot
Funny Mr Avenger lolNo carrots Pre training! Jk
^^This^^. Agmatine is becoming more and more popular but it is still greatly underrated, I love the stuff.Just get your self Agmatine and take 750mg-1g of it. Trust me even the guys in the dark side use it all the time.
What are folks seeing out of agmatine that some of us are not.^^This^^. Agmatine is becoming more and more popular but it is still greatly underrated, I love the stuff.
I just felt full and jacked especially when doing 5x5 due to the sarcoplasmic volume of the tissuesWhat are folks seeing out of agmatine that some of us are not.
I heard great reviews from some people (as far as pumps) & others who don't seem to get too much out of it...
So it wouldn't be breaking a fast? (body octane)A. It wouldn't matter
B. L-aspartic acid would elicit an insulin response equivalent to a baby carrot
Why? It shouldn't really be a concern. Are you following Berkhan's IF protocol? Taking a pre-workout will not impede your results by breaking your fast. There is an uncanny fear of insulin over the last few years that I thought was dying down, apparently not.So it wouldn't be breaking a fast? (body octane)
While on the subject, do u know if test powder will break a fast? I'm so wary to take ANY liquid/powder Pre workouts
Physiologically speaking, no it wouldn't break the fast. It doesn't matter, regardless. Your fear of taking preworkouts is unfounded. Test powder is fine...the agmatine exerts hypoglycemic action anyway.So it wouldn't be breaking a fast? (body octane)
While on the subject, do u know if test powder will break a fast? I'm so wary to take ANY liquid/powder Pre workouts
This. The "fast" is meaningless unless you are diabetic.Why? It shouldn't really be a concern. Are you following Berkhan's IF protocol? Taking a pre-workout will not impede your results by breaking your fast. There is an uncanny fear of insulin over the last few years that I thought was dying down, apparently not.
Why? It shouldn't really be a concern. Are you following Berkhan's IF protocol? Taking a pre-workout will not impede your results by breaking your fast. There is an uncanny fear of insulin over the last few years that I thought was dying down, apparently not.
Alright. I believe u guys. I know you think I'm nuts coop lol but thanks for settin me straight, even tho I have to ask a couple times hahaPhysiologically speaking, no it wouldn't break the fast. It doesn't matter, regardless. Your fear of taking preworkouts is unfounded. Test powder is fine...the agmatine exerts hypoglycemic action anyway.
This. The "fast" is meaningless unless you are diabetic.
No problem man. I don't think you're nuts. Just overanalytical like every other BBer I knowAlright. I believe u guys. I know you think I'm nuts coop lol but thanks for settin me straight, even tho I have to ask a couple times haha
I am so glad and a bit ecstatic that Cyrus actually explains.it more than once for us stubborn guys cam lol.Alright. I believe u guys. I know you think I'm nuts coop lol but thanks for settin me straight, even tho I have to ask a couple times haha
Haha thanks brothaNo problem man. I don't think you're nuts. Just overanalytical like every other BBer I know
Absolutely no doubt.I am so glad and a bit ecstatic that Cyrus actually explains.it more than once for us stubborn guys cam lol.
He is a damn great asset to SNS and this forum
I think you're doing it wrong bro lolWhat are folks seeing out of agmatine that some of us are not.
I heard great reviews from some people (as far as pumps) & others who don't seem to get too much out of it...
Not responding?I think you're doing it wrong bro lol
Gotcha.I just felt full and jacked especially when doing 5x5 due to the sarcoplasmic volume of the tissues
Have you done a full month of it?Not responding?
Gotcha.
I tried dosing the PES sister brand SS, doing 1500g a day. That was roughly a month. Tried hemavol a few times as well, haven't seen much from it. So I think either I have to dose agmatine really high or it just does not effect me.Have you done a full month of it?
Could be a non responder but you could also be expecting to much.I tried dosing the PES sister brand SS, doing 1500g a day. That was roughly a month. Tried hemavol a few times as well, haven't seen much from it. So I think either I have to dose agmatine really high or it just does not effect me.
The effects I noticed for me took about a month and a half to build up. I don't really get a pump from it tho.I tried dosing the PES sister brand SS, doing 1500g a day. That was roughly a month. Tried hemavol a few times as well, haven't seen much from it. So I think either I have to dose agmatine really high or it just does not effect me.
That could be 100% right too... Maybe I'm not a newbie anymore those pump days are gone haha...Could be a non responder but you could also be expecting to much.
Just a fullness... Got it. Guess they say that's why hemavol gets better with use.The effects I noticed for me took about a month and a half to build up. I don't really get a pump from it tho.
Yeah phuck that, thats why I take a multi.The last reason why I bought agamatine was for the pumps more so the health benefits