Combing 2 OTC's for pct?

[jclay]

alright, first of all, lay off all the "get a SERM dude!", cause i have run many cycles without them and retained 70-90% of my gains, and fully recovered.

alright so i was thinking...should i combine these 2 for my PCT?

Post Cycle II
Daily dosage (3 capsules):
TESTOSTERONE BOOSTER 1500mg
D-Aspartic Acid, Tribulus (60% saponins, 20% protodioscin), Icarrin (Horny Goat Weed), ZMA
ESTROGEN BLOCKER 755MG
WBM (Agaricus Bisporus), Trans Resveratrol (98%), Indole 3 Carbinol, 6 Bromo

and...

Test Kryponite
Daily Dosage (6 capsules):
Bulbine natalensis extract 500mg
D-Aspartic Acid 3000mg
Testosterone Amplifier blend 1100mg

 

[Callejul]

What is the cycle you running

 

[jclay]

What is the cycle you running

Epistane/Havoc and Halovar

 

[Callejul]

Can you write down your layout?
Dosages
Per week
Age
Height
Weight
Type of training
Goals for this cycle
Supps your are taking now.
I am by no means knowlegdable but I would really like to help.

 

[jclay]

Can you write down your layout?
Dosages
Per week
Age
Height
Weight
Type of training
Goals for this cycle
Supps your are taking now.
I am by no means knowlegdable but I would really like to help.

How can you help if your not knowledgeable?

anyway, per week 140mg halovar, and 210mg epistane/havoc. 5 week cycle

6'4" 215lbs. Strength Training (not bodybuilding)
Goal: increase all Dumbbell excersises by 15lbs (accomplished). increase bench by 30lbs (accomplished) increase squat by 70lbs (almost)

 

[Callejul]

I meant "knowledgeable" as in terms I don't know it all and still learning.
140 mg of halovar per week
210 mg of epistane per week
So 20 mg of halo per day and 30 for epistane correct?.
What week are you in?
Do you feel shutdown?
What are your support supps? Your running two methlys so you should be running some cycle support

 

[jclay]

im just ending week 4. you got the doasages correct. I feel slightly shut down compard to weeks 3 and 4. I am using liver clean by power labs. and 6 bromo

 

[Callejul]

I would recommend a serm. But if your are dead set not to get on I would do:

AI : erase by PES or erase pro
Formastanzol
reversitol v2

Test boosters :
Testobolan v2
Activate extreme
Anabeta elite

Other goodies worthy of mentioned.
Plenty of fish oil
Multi
Creatine
Protein
Zma
IGF 2
Hghup
Bcaa
These are all just of the top of my head. Ill add more once I do some research
Personally I would use a NON stim pre workout.

 

[Callejul]

Bioforge v3
MN test factor
Lean extreme for cort control

 

[Gerbil]

No one measures ph/ds in mg a week because the half lives are far too short you need daily doses most needing to be split throughout the day.

I meant "knowledgeable" as in terms I don't know it all and still learning.
140 mg of halovar per week
210 mg of epistane per week
So 20 mg of halo per day and 30 for epistane correct?.
What week are you in?
Do you feel shutdown?
What are your support supps? Your running two methlys so you should be running some cycle support

 

[Gerbil]

Here is my comment WHY? Why do you not want to use a serm? Answer this with a logical answer and I will attempt to help you.

 

[tnubs]

Here is my comment WHY? Why do you not want to use a serm? Answer this with a logical answer and I will attempt to help you.

wait... is there a logical answer?

kidding aside, DAA 3g/day with erase or another anti estrogen will probably be your best bet for a cost effective combo. primordial performance has a kit set up for people looking for over the counter alternatives to a SERM called the "TRS stack" which seems to be the best alternative at the moment. give it a look

 

[ThunderHumper]

Here is my comment WHY? Why do you not want to use a serm? Answer this with a logical answer and I will attempt to help you.

I don't think you're gonna get a logical answer for that. 10 bucks says he doesnt know a legit supplier even tho there's one right in front of him

 

[standon]

The negative side effects and potential toxicity of the serm itself..

 

[Gerbil]

Minimal in comparison to the sides of estro rebound and low test, also there is the sperm issue. Next argument I can go all day with these.

The negative side effects and potential toxicity of the serm itself..

 

[MrMarc]

O boy, Like is this thread even real or serious. No serm No cycle.

Go see endocrinologist first. Then I will help you.

 

[tnubs]

The negative side effects and potential toxicity of the serm itself..

and you dont think steroids are as bad as a SERM? They are worse.

 

[kevinhy]

If you absolutely, positively, cant grab a serm run:

SS DAA capsules
Erase Pro (you can get these both in a stack at NP for a discounted price)
BPS Ensosurge

 

[ThunderHumper]

Y do i get the feeling we're all talking to an 18yo?

You already told us you're taking 2 Orals, and you're feeling shut down. At what point are you gonna just do a little bit of homework and find a research chem site to get a serm? I'll bet another $10 you never gt bloods done pre or post cycle and truly have no clue how well you recovered. Just going by he "I feel fine" mentality

 

[standon]

and you dont think steroids are as bad as a SERM? They are worse.

no I know this but its the extra toxicity and peoples mentalities are like they arent worth it bcuz Im not getting huge off them lol