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    Best Non-Stim Preworkout??


    Hey guys new to posting, not to the forum.... anyways this question comes from me being in the middle of a cut with clen and i really dont want to add any more stimulants to the table, already have the shakes half the day w my 100mcg dose. I'v always been a fan of assault pw but i dont think itd be a good idea to take right now for obvious reasons, iv never really looked into non stim preworkouts so any input and comparisons would be appreciated. i could really use the boost since carbs are moderately low. sorry for the long first post, lets get this party started!!
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    I just picked up Hemavol for the first time and it has given me crazy pumps. It's the first non-stim I've tried so I can't give you much else.
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    I like Neogenix BodyForge and Omega Ultima. Both really good choices.
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    I mean, if your already juiced the whole day why do you need something more? The only thing I can really think of is food, a lot. Fruit works well for me. If you like the pump effects, buy some bulk powder of agmatine and maybe some sort of b vitamin energy complex?
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    NRC cabergolean great pre workout
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    Time and time again this question arises(on many different forums), and time and time again HemaVol comes out on top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    I like Neogenix BodyForge and Omega Ultima. Both really good choices.


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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    Time and time again this question arises(on many different forums), and time and time again HemaVol comes out on top.
    although the question is extremely redundant, hemavol gets my vote
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    I like Neogenix BodyForge and Omega Ultima. Both really good choices.
    Can't argue with Ultima , but adding Hemavol and/or Drive would be awesome IMO...I just don't know much about BodyForge to comment on it , but the formula looks solid!
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    i also like body octane
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvactech
    i also like body octane
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    I've personally done the ultima and Hemavol stack as a pre workout on several occasions and the combination is great. I'd prefer it, any day, to stimulate based pre workouts if it wasn't for the price of both.
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    Just grabbed some ultima for 28 bucks...so I'll go with that for now
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    I absolutely loved thermolife pump Bol and cbol stack. Pumps were insane. Never tried hemavol, so no comment but it has a good profile.
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    Hemavol is great for endurance, good pumps, but had to have two scoops though

    Made my own non stim pre-workout
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    Ultima, Clout, or Hemavol. OR Hemavol plus Clout or Ultima if you are feeling ambitious.
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    Cre 02, natty v, body octane+c bol, rag caff free, purple wraath, cordygen. B vitamin complex + tyrosine+cordygen ultra, nitroceps.

    Many options and with stim free, there are endless possibilities for endurance and pump. Could use any racetam and carnitines for focus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Cre 02, natty v, body octane+c bol, rag caff free, purple wraath, cordygen. B vitamin complex + tyrosine+cordygen ultra, nitroceps.

    Many options and with stim free, there are endless possibilities for endurance and pump. Could use any racetam and carnitines for focus.
    Bulk BA and CM and agmatine if tight on cash.
    Natty-v isn't stim-free, nor is it a preworkout

    Quote Originally Posted by sl33kTL View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Natty-v isn't stim-free, nor is it a preworkout
    I actually laughed out loud!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Natty-v isn't stim-free, nor is it a preworkout

    I'd much rather opt for proven ergogens like citrulline malate, nitrates, or COP.
    I get a good pump from it. The mucuna and cnidium help along with the norvaline and epimedium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc

    I actually laughed out loud!
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    [QUOTE="mr.cooper69"]

    Natty-v isn't stim-free, nor is it a preworkout
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    [QUOTE="mr.cooper69"]

    Natty-v isn't stim-free, nor is it a preworkout



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    Dump the syrup in your mouth and wash it down with the juice mixture. Great energy and the sickest pump you will EVER have.
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    Hemavol is good. Or you can just create your own with agamatine, citrullene malate, and beta alanine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf View Post
    Hemavol is good. Or you can just create your own with agamatine, citrullene malate, and beta alanine.
    Beta-Alanine P.W.O James , preworkout can be best for:

    -X-Gels
    -Citrulline Malate
    -Agmatine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Beta-Alanine P.W.O James , preworkout can be best for:

    -X-Gels
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    -Agmatine
    -BCAA's
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    that's a nice stack but you can't do the x-gels all the time everyday (need to cycle it) which is why I didn't include it. I like BCAA's as well but if your nutritional intake is good then it's not an absolute necessity. I don't think it matters when you take BA, just as long as you take ~2 g spread out twice a day. For me personally I also have MCC. Core ABC is another option as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf View Post
    that's a nice stack but you can't do the x-gels all the time everyday (need to cycle it) which is why I didn't include it. I like BCAA's as well but if your nutritional intake is good then it's not an absolute necessity. I don't think it matters when you take BA, just as long as you take ~2 g spread out twice a day. For me personally I also have MCC. Core ABC is another option as well.
    If you take MCC its good and ideal to take it when taking x-gels, agmatine and citrulline malate IMO...So yeah about the BA totally agree here. Since he said Pre Workout , I do think that ArA can be added to every pre workout dose non stop for about 2~ months and only on training days though. Seems a waste to take it on rest days according to Coops teachings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf View Post
    that's a nice stack but you can't do the x-gels all the time everyday (need to cycle it) which is why I didn't include it. I like BCAA's as well but if your nutritional intake is good then it's not an absolute necessity. I don't think it matters when you take BA, just as long as you take ~2 g spread out twice a day. For me personally I also have MCC. Core ABC is another option as well.
    Oh also if training Fasted BCAAs do help a lot IMO , also by mTOR activation wouldn't you agree? So I usually recommend them PWO too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Oh also if training Fasted BCAAs do help a lot IMO , also by mTOR activation wouldn't you agree? So I usually recommend them PWO too
    lol, yes I do agree. however, that's why I qualified that statement by saying "if your nutritional intake is good" for example having enough amino acids from BCAA's, protein sources. If I had a large portion of protein an hour before my workout, it would still be releasing amino acids as it is broken down and therefore I would not feel a pressing need to add even more in at that time. Also, Layne Norton talked about needed approximately two hours in between leucine intake to maximize mTOR activation for greater muscle protein synthesis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf View Post
    lol, yes I do agree. however, that's why I qualified that statement by saying "if your nutritional intake is good" for example having enough amino acids from BCAA's, protein sources. If I had a large portion of protein an hour before my workout, it would still be releasing amino acids as it is broken down and therefore I would not feel a pressing need to add even more in at that time. Also, Layne Norton talked about needed approximately two hours in between leucine intake to maximize mTOR activation for greater muscle protein synthesis.
    I did come across this...however since I usually train first thing in the AM just like 30 mins after waking up (time it takes to get ready and to the gym) when I wake up I'll wake up thirsty as hell and take 20-30g of BCAAs with all the other mentioned with the exception of ArA since I don't have it yet lol and well just train after that. Got no way to test it :S! Though I do agree with the idea it poses
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    I did come across this...however since I usually train first thing in the AM just like 30 mins after waking up (time it takes to get ready and to the gym) when I wake up I'll wake up thirsty as hell and take 20-30g of BCAAs with all the other mentioned with the exception of ArA since I don't have it yet lol and well just train after that. Got no way to test it :S! Though I do agree with the idea it poses

    That makes sense. I hate training in the morning. I'm a very late-afternoon lifter. I just hate mornings all the way around. I just wanted to note though, that in conversing with Layne on bb.com, he said that excess leucine/bcaa content doesn't hold any additional benefit over the recommended .05g of leucine per kg of bw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf View Post
    That makes sense. I hate training in the morning. I'm a very late-afternoon lifter. I just hate mornings all the way around. I just wanted to note though, that in conversing with Layne on bb.com, he said that excess leucine/bcaa content doesn't hold any additional benefit over the recommended .05g of leucine per kg of bw.
    Yeah that number I did know...the thing is, I am a RecoverPro little addict, Can't beat the Lemon taste all the way, some IceCubes and like 20-30oz of water and adding the rest of the stuff...damn it just makes for such a good drink to hydrate when waking up and going to sweat it all out at the gym !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Yeah that number I did know...the thing is, I am a RecoverPro little addict, Can't beat the Lemon taste all the way, some IceCubes and like 20-30oz of water and adding the rest of the stuff...damn it just makes for such a good drink to hydrate when waking up and going to sweat it all out at the gym !
    This is where you're wrong. Dead wrong. Red Raspberry is far better!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjameskjf

    This is where you're wrong. Dead wrong. Red Raspberry is far better!
    Report to the Milas thread for due spanking James, this is unforgivable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 808Pump View Post
    Currently I'm enjoying Craze...good focus and intensity without the stims.
    Craze has no stims? LMFAO hahahahaha...
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