Rate my pre-workout formula

[bigbb123]

Ok,

So im sick of buying proprietary garbage and I want to make my own preworkout supplement.

Im going to list what I have so far, could you guys give me some input on the dosages and compounds?

1. Creatine Mono or CEE 5 grams
2.Betaine
3.Beta Alanine
4.Electrolyte Mix
5.BCAA
6.L-Norvaline
7.Caffeine
8.L-Orinthine
9.L-tyrosine
10.Citruline Malate
11. Choline Bitartrate12. Alcar
13. Glycerol
14.L-Taurine


Notice i left out Arginine, not sure if you guys think i should include it


Rip it apart, tell me appropriate dosages, what to add, what to remove


Lets say money is not an issue and i can get this formula compounded


Thanks!

[PrepNwa23]

My quick thoughts without really looking if your using Citruline Malate already i wouldn't use Norvaline also there is other factors with Norvaline i dont like but to each their own. ALCAR is a winner and so is Choline Bitartrate. Beta Alanine is something you want to take continuously so you reach saturation point so if you don't plan on taking it for months i wouldn't do it. Mono is always better creatine wise. Also i just take leucine preworkout and post workout, don't really do BCAA's preworkout.

[StackedCop]

How many grams citrulline malate? Also ditch the cee and stick with mono.

[AlexErdellan]

Maybe add agmatine sulfate? Haven't tried it but it gets good feedback

[mr.cooper69]

1. Creatine Mono - 3 grams
2.Betaine - 2.5g
3.Beta Alanine - 1.6-3.2g
4.Electrolyte Mix
5.BCAA - 45mg/kg BW leucine
6.L-Norvaline - 200mg
7.Caffeine - 200mg
8.L-Orinthine - 2-3g (only really worthwhile for true endurance training)
9.L-tyrosine - 1.5-3g
10.Citruline Malate - 6-8g
11. Choline Bitartrate - 1-2g
12. Alcar - 1-2g
13. Glycerol - I wouldn't use it unless doing true endurance work
14.L-Taurine - 50mg/kg BW

[Delta Force]

why did you leave out L-Argenine? IMO you should add L-Argenine at 5grams

[mr.cooper69]

why did you leave out L-Argenine? IMO you should add L-Argenine at 5grams

Because countless studies show that oral arginine administration fails to elicit an NO response and has no ergogenic properties.

[Delta Force]

Because countless studies show that oral arginine administration fails to elicit an NO response and has no ergogenic properties.

I've always got good results when I was making my own pw drinks, I did double up on it though, 10grams or higher... that plus Beta Alanine, gotta love those tingles

[mr.cooper69]

I've always got good results when I was making my own pw drinks, I did double up on it though, 10grams or higher... that plus Beta Alanine, gotta love those tingles

Heh, indeed. Have you used citrulline?

[p5sky]

1. Creatine Mono - 3 grams
2.Betaine - 2.5g
3.Beta Alanine - 1.6-3.2g
4.Electrolyte Mix
5.BCAA - 45mg/kg BW leucine
6.L-Norvaline - 200mg
7.Caffeine - 200mg
8.L-Orinthine - 2-3g (only really worthwhile for true endurance training)
9.L-tyrosine - 1.5-3g
10.Citruline Malate - 6-8g
11. Choline Bitartrate - 1-2g
12. Alcar - 1-2g
13. Glycerol - I wouldn't use it unless doing true endurance work
14.L-Taurine - 50mg/kg BW

Just wondering how these bulk supps would taste without a solid flavoring system . . . I used powder Gatorade when creating my own pre=workout

[bigbb123]

Thanks for the input this far guys. I'm not quite sure I trust Agmatine though I must say I know next to nothing about it, havent researched it yet. The goal of this thread is to create the ultimate precworkout concoction instead of the over priced bull we buy that can be easily made from quality bulk supplements. My flavoring system of choice was going to be cytomax or crystal light or just plain old Gatorade like the last poster suggested. What else can or should be added?

[criticalbench]

Why betaine in a pre? I use it for health purposes.. what are its bodybuilding purposes?

[mr.cooper69]

Why betaine in a pre? I use it for health purposes.. what are its bodybuilding purposes?

It increases exercise performance with mixed data, but preworkout timing is not necessary.

[SquatOrTwat]

Why betaine in a pre? I use it for health purposes.. what are its bodybuilding purposes?

It's a digestion aid and usually it's used with meals but if you take it with a preworkout stack it will help break down the compounds faster and have a stronger and faster effect from the preworkout.

[criticalbench]

It increases exercise performance with mixed data, but preworkout timing is not necessary.

Thanks man.. appreciate it. I use 2g daily to neutralize homocysteine levels.

Mike

[uvawahoowa]

1. Creatine Mono - 3 grams
2.Betaine - 2.5g
3.Beta Alanine - 1.6-3.2g
4.Electrolyte Mix
5.BCAA - 45mg/kg BW leucine
6.L-Norvaline - 200mg
7.Caffeine - 200mg
8.L-Orinthine - 2-3g (only really worthwhile for true endurance training)
9.L-tyrosine - 1.5-3g
10.Citruline Malate - 6-8g
11. Choline Bitartrate - 1-2g
12. Alcar - 1-2g
13. Glycerol - I wouldn't use it unless doing true endurance work
14.L-Taurine - 50mg/kg BW

What about the addition of gms? What does the choline do?

[laserbluess]

not seeing agmatine in a prework makes me sad. it should really be a staple for any pre-workout, even if you just take agmatine by itself. its good stuff. increased pumps, vascularity.

[jonesBones40]

not seeing agmatine in a prework makes me sad. it should really be a staple for any pre-workout, even if you just take agmatine by itself. its good stuff. increased pumps, vascularity.

^^^^this
Agmatine is amazing! I'd throw some d-aspartic acid in there

[uvawahoowa]

not seeing agmatine in a prework makes me sad. it should really be a staple for any pre-workout, even if you just take agmatine by itself. its good stuff. increased pumps, vascularity.

Agmatine is awesome, but tbh I prefer taking it on an empty stomach 15-30 mins before my pwo meal...for me it has been far more effective

[jonesBones40]

Agmatine is awesome, but tbh I prefer taking it on an empty stomach 15-30 mins before my pwo meal...for me it has been far more effective

How much? I like 500 mg