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  1. Rate my pre-workout formula


    Ok,

    So im sick of buying proprietary garbage and I want to make my own preworkout supplement.

    Im going to list what I have so far, could you guys give me some input on the dosages and compounds?

    1. Creatine Mono or CEE 5 grams
    2.Betaine
    3.Beta Alanine
    4.Electrolyte Mix
    5.BCAA
    6.L-Norvaline
    7.Caffeine
    8.L-Orinthine
    9.L-tyrosine
    10.Citruline Malate
    11. Choline Bitartrate12. Alcar
    13. Glycerol
    14.L-Taurine


    Notice i left out Arginine, not sure if you guys think i should include it


    Rip it apart, tell me appropriate dosages, what to add, what to remove


    Lets say money is not an issue and i can get this formula compounded


    Thanks!



  2. My quick thoughts without really looking if your using Citruline Malate already i wouldn't use Norvaline also there is other factors with Norvaline i dont like but to each their own. ALCAR is a winner and so is Choline Bitartrate. Beta Alanine is something you want to take continuously so you reach saturation point so if you don't plan on taking it for months i wouldn't do it. Mono is always better creatine wise. Also i just take leucine preworkout and post workout, don't really do BCAA's preworkout.
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  3. How many grams citrulline malate? Also ditch the cee and stick with mono.


  4. Maybe add agmatine sulfate? Haven't tried it but it gets good feedback

  5. 1. Creatine Mono - 3 grams
    2.Betaine - 2.5g
    3.Beta Alanine - 1.6-3.2g
    4.Electrolyte Mix
    5.BCAA - 45mg/kg BW leucine
    6.L-Norvaline - 200mg
    7.Caffeine - 200mg
    8.L-Orinthine - 2-3g (only really worthwhile for true endurance training)
    9.L-tyrosine - 1.5-3g
    10.Citruline Malate - 6-8g
    11. Choline Bitartrate - 1-2g
    12. Alcar - 1-2g

    13. Glycerol - I wouldn't use it unless doing true endurance work
    14.L-Taurine - 50mg/kg BW
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  6. why did you leave out L-Argenine? IMO you should add L-Argenine at 5grams

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Delta Force View Post
    why did you leave out L-Argenine? IMO you should add L-Argenine at 5grams
    Because countless studies show that oral arginine administration fails to elicit an NO response and has no ergogenic properties.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Because countless studies show that oral arginine administration fails to elicit an NO response and has no ergogenic properties.
    I've always got good results when I was making my own pw drinks, I did double up on it though, 10grams or higher... that plus Beta Alanine, gotta love those tingles

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Delta Force View Post
    I've always got good results when I was making my own pw drinks, I did double up on it though, 10grams or higher... that plus Beta Alanine, gotta love those tingles
    Heh, indeed. Have you used citrulline?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    1. Creatine Mono - 3 grams
    2.Betaine - 2.5g
    3.Beta Alanine - 1.6-3.2g
    4.Electrolyte Mix
    5.BCAA - 45mg/kg BW leucine
    6.L-Norvaline - 200mg
    7.Caffeine - 200mg
    8.L-Orinthine - 2-3g (only really worthwhile for true endurance training)
    9.L-tyrosine - 1.5-3g
    10.Citruline Malate - 6-8g
    11. Choline Bitartrate - 1-2g
    12. Alcar - 1-2g

    13. Glycerol - I wouldn't use it unless doing true endurance work
    14.L-Taurine - 50mg/kg BW
    Just wondering how these bulk supps would taste without a solid flavoring system . . . I used powder Gatorade when creating my own pre=workout
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    When an omega male is born it's game over



  11. Thanks for the input this far guys. I'm not quite sure I trust Agmatine though I must say I know next to nothing about it, havent researched it yet. The goal of this thread is to create the ultimate precworkout concoction instead of the over priced bull we buy that can be easily made from quality bulk supplements. My flavoring system of choice was going to be cytomax or crystal light or just plain old Gatorade like the last poster suggested. What else can or should be added?

  12. Why betaine in a pre? I use it for health purposes.. what are its bodybuilding purposes?
    Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative

  13. Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    Why betaine in a pre? I use it for health purposes.. what are its bodybuilding purposes?
    It increases exercise performance with mixed data, but preworkout timing is not necessary.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench
    Why betaine in a pre? I use it for health purposes.. what are its bodybuilding purposes?
    It's a digestion aid and usually it's used with meals but if you take it with a preworkout stack it will help break down the compounds faster and have a stronger and faster effect from the preworkout.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    It increases exercise performance with mixed data, but preworkout timing is not necessary.
    Thanks man.. appreciate it. I use 2g daily to neutralize homocysteine levels.

    Mike
    Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    1. Creatine Mono - 3 grams
    2.Betaine - 2.5g
    3.Beta Alanine - 1.6-3.2g
    4.Electrolyte Mix
    5.BCAA - 45mg/kg BW leucine
    6.L-Norvaline - 200mg
    7.Caffeine - 200mg
    8.L-Orinthine - 2-3g (only really worthwhile for true endurance training)
    9.L-tyrosine - 1.5-3g
    10.Citruline Malate - 6-8g
    11. Choline Bitartrate - 1-2g
    12. Alcar - 1-2g
    13. Glycerol - I wouldn't use it unless doing true endurance work
    14.L-Taurine - 50mg/kg BW
    What about the addition of gms? What does the choline do?

  17. not seeing agmatine in a prework makes me sad. it should really be a staple for any pre-workout, even if you just take agmatine by itself. its good stuff. increased pumps, vascularity.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by laserbluess
    not seeing agmatine in a prework makes me sad. it should really be a staple for any pre-workout, even if you just take agmatine by itself. its good stuff. increased pumps, vascularity.
    ^^^^this
    Agmatine is amazing! I'd throw some d-aspartic acid in there

  19. Quote Originally Posted by laserbluess
    not seeing agmatine in a prework makes me sad. it should really be a staple for any pre-workout, even if you just take agmatine by itself. its good stuff. increased pumps, vascularity.
    Agmatine is awesome, but tbh I prefer taking it on an empty stomach 15-30 mins before my pwo meal...for me it has been far more effective

  20. Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa

    Agmatine is awesome, but tbh I prefer taking it on an empty stomach 15-30 mins before my pwo meal...for me it has been far more effective
    How much? I like 500 mg

  21. Quote Originally Posted by jonesBones40

    How much? I like 500 mg
    I have been going at 1g twice a day, may be over dosing it though, on my next cycle I will be dosing 500mg twice a day

  22. Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    What about the addition of gms? What does the choline do?
    I said don't add it (see glycerol).
    Choline boosts brain choline levels, leading to increased ACh synthesis. ACh is the main neurotransmitter at the neuromuscular junction. There is weak evidence that taking choline preworkout increases GH and power output.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Heh, indeed. Have you used citrulline?
    I sure do and love it, for flavoring my ****tail I add 2 scoops of chocolate protein and takes care of that

  24. If i remember correctly from a a couple of studies that i came across (dont quote haha), but going along the lines of that mr.cooper was saying... but also that oral L-arginine actually reduced the overall NO levels in the blood?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Bamski View Post
    If i remember correctly from a a couple of studies that i came across (dont quote haha), but going along the lines of that mr.cooper was saying... but also that oral L-arginine actually reduced the overall NO levels in the blood?
    One study showed that it reduced performance, but that was an anomaly, as the vast majority show simply no change from placebo.

  26. Gotchaa, well i guess that one study kinda steered me away. haha when i read that study, that's when SNS came out with agmatine

  27. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    One study showed that it reduced performance, but that was an anomaly, as the vast majority show simply no change from placebo.
    I'll stay away from that study.. placebo or not I like the effects of arginine

  28. Creatine nitrate ftw
    Use code "fl3x10" to get a free shirt with your purchase at Mind and Muscle

  29. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    One study showed that it reduced performance, but that was an anomaly, as the vast majority show simply no change from placebo.
    Hasn't it been shown exercise induced gh production is higher when arginine is not ingested? Or is that the study you are referring to?

  30. Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    Hasn't it been shown exercise induced gh production is higher when arginine is not ingested? Or is that the study you are referring to?
    That is another one, actually. But again, an anomaly, as other studies showed simply no change in GH.
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