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    Ok,

    So im sick of buying proprietary garbage and I want to make my own preworkout supplement.

    Im going to list what I have so far, could you guys give me some input on the dosages and compounds?

    1. Creatine Mono or CEE 5 grams
    2.Betaine
    3.Beta Alanine
    4.Electrolyte Mix
    5.BCAA
    6.L-Norvaline
    7.Caffeine
    8.L-Orinthine
    9.L-tyrosine
    10.Citruline Malate
    11. Choline Bitartrate12. Alcar
    13. Glycerol
    14.L-Taurine


    Notice i left out Arginine, not sure if you guys think i should include it


    Rip it apart, tell me appropriate dosages, what to add, what to remove


    Lets say money is not an issue and i can get this formula compounded


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    My quick thoughts without really looking if your using Citruline Malate already i wouldn't use Norvaline also there is other factors with Norvaline i dont like but to each their own. ALCAR is a winner and so is Choline Bitartrate. Beta Alanine is something you want to take continuously so you reach saturation point so if you don't plan on taking it for months i wouldn't do it. Mono is always better creatine wise. Also i just take leucine preworkout and post workout, don't really do BCAA's preworkout.
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    How many grams citrulline malate? Also ditch the cee and stick with mono.

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    Maybe add agmatine sulfate? Haven't tried it but it gets good feedback
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    1. Creatine Mono - 3 grams
    2.Betaine - 2.5g
    3.Beta Alanine - 1.6-3.2g
    4.Electrolyte Mix
    5.BCAA - 45mg/kg BW leucine
    6.L-Norvaline - 200mg
    7.Caffeine - 200mg
    8.L-Orinthine - 2-3g (only really worthwhile for true endurance training)
    9.L-tyrosine - 1.5-3g
    10.Citruline Malate - 6-8g
    11. Choline Bitartrate - 1-2g
    12. Alcar - 1-2g

    13. Glycerol - I wouldn't use it unless doing true endurance work
    14.L-Taurine - 50mg/kg BW
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    why did you leave out L-Argenine? IMO you should add L-Argenine at 5grams
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta Force View Post
    why did you leave out L-Argenine? IMO you should add L-Argenine at 5grams
    Because countless studies show that oral arginine administration fails to elicit an NO response and has no ergogenic properties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Because countless studies show that oral arginine administration fails to elicit an NO response and has no ergogenic properties.
    I've always got good results when I was making my own pw drinks, I did double up on it though, 10grams or higher... that plus Beta Alanine, gotta love those tingles
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta Force View Post
    I've always got good results when I was making my own pw drinks, I did double up on it though, 10grams or higher... that plus Beta Alanine, gotta love those tingles
    Heh, indeed. Have you used citrulline?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    1. Creatine Mono - 3 grams
    2.Betaine - 2.5g
    3.Beta Alanine - 1.6-3.2g
    4.Electrolyte Mix
    5.BCAA - 45mg/kg BW leucine
    6.L-Norvaline - 200mg
    7.Caffeine - 200mg
    8.L-Orinthine - 2-3g (only really worthwhile for true endurance training)
    9.L-tyrosine - 1.5-3g
    10.Citruline Malate - 6-8g
    11. Choline Bitartrate - 1-2g
    12. Alcar - 1-2g

    13. Glycerol - I wouldn't use it unless doing true endurance work
    14.L-Taurine - 50mg/kg BW
    Just wondering how these bulk supps would taste without a solid flavoring system . . . I used powder Gatorade when creating my own pre=workout
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    Thanks for the input this far guys. I'm not quite sure I trust Agmatine though I must say I know next to nothing about it, havent researched it yet. The goal of this thread is to create the ultimate precworkout concoction instead of the over priced bull we buy that can be easily made from quality bulk supplements. My flavoring system of choice was going to be cytomax or crystal light or just plain old Gatorade like the last poster suggested. What else can or should be added?
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    Why betaine in a pre? I use it for health purposes.. what are its bodybuilding purposes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    Why betaine in a pre? I use it for health purposes.. what are its bodybuilding purposes?
    It increases exercise performance with mixed data, but preworkout timing is not necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench
    Why betaine in a pre? I use it for health purposes.. what are its bodybuilding purposes?
    It's a digestion aid and usually it's used with meals but if you take it with a preworkout stack it will help break down the compounds faster and have a stronger and faster effect from the preworkout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    It increases exercise performance with mixed data, but preworkout timing is not necessary.
    Thanks man.. appreciate it. I use 2g daily to neutralize homocysteine levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    1. Creatine Mono - 3 grams
    2.Betaine - 2.5g
    3.Beta Alanine - 1.6-3.2g
    4.Electrolyte Mix
    5.BCAA - 45mg/kg BW leucine
    6.L-Norvaline - 200mg
    7.Caffeine - 200mg
    8.L-Orinthine - 2-3g (only really worthwhile for true endurance training)
    9.L-tyrosine - 1.5-3g
    10.Citruline Malate - 6-8g
    11. Choline Bitartrate - 1-2g
    12. Alcar - 1-2g
    13. Glycerol - I wouldn't use it unless doing true endurance work
    14.L-Taurine - 50mg/kg BW
    What about the addition of gms? What does the choline do?
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    not seeing agmatine in a prework makes me sad. it should really be a staple for any pre-workout, even if you just take agmatine by itself. its good stuff. increased pumps, vascularity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laserbluess
    not seeing agmatine in a prework makes me sad. it should really be a staple for any pre-workout, even if you just take agmatine by itself. its good stuff. increased pumps, vascularity.
    ^^^^this
    Agmatine is amazing! I'd throw some d-aspartic acid in there
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    Quote Originally Posted by laserbluess
    not seeing agmatine in a prework makes me sad. it should really be a staple for any pre-workout, even if you just take agmatine by itself. its good stuff. increased pumps, vascularity.
    Agmatine is awesome, but tbh I prefer taking it on an empty stomach 15-30 mins before my pwo meal...for me it has been far more effective
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    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa

    Agmatine is awesome, but tbh I prefer taking it on an empty stomach 15-30 mins before my pwo meal...for me it has been far more effective
    How much? I like 500 mg
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonesBones40

    How much? I like 500 mg
    I have been going at 1g twice a day, may be over dosing it though, on my next cycle I will be dosing 500mg twice a day
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    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    What about the addition of gms? What does the choline do?
    I said don't add it (see glycerol).
    Choline boosts brain choline levels, leading to increased ACh synthesis. ACh is the main neurotransmitter at the neuromuscular junction. There is weak evidence that taking choline preworkout increases GH and power output.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Heh, indeed. Have you used citrulline?
    I sure do and love it, for flavoring my ****tail I add 2 scoops of chocolate protein and takes care of that
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    If i remember correctly from a a couple of studies that i came across (dont quote haha), but going along the lines of that mr.cooper was saying... but also that oral L-arginine actually reduced the overall NO levels in the blood?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamski View Post
    If i remember correctly from a a couple of studies that i came across (dont quote haha), but going along the lines of that mr.cooper was saying... but also that oral L-arginine actually reduced the overall NO levels in the blood?
    One study showed that it reduced performance, but that was an anomaly, as the vast majority show simply no change from placebo.
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    Gotchaa, well i guess that one study kinda steered me away. haha when i read that study, that's when SNS came out with agmatine
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    One study showed that it reduced performance, but that was an anomaly, as the vast majority show simply no change from placebo.
    I'll stay away from that study.. placebo or not I like the effects of arginine
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    One study showed that it reduced performance, but that was an anomaly, as the vast majority show simply no change from placebo.
    Hasn't it been shown exercise induced gh production is higher when arginine is not ingested? Or is that the study you are referring to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    Hasn't it been shown exercise induced gh production is higher when arginine is not ingested? Or is that the study you are referring to?
    That is another one, actually. But again, an anomaly, as other studies showed simply no change in GH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123
    Thanks for the input this far guys. I'm not quite sure I trust Agmatine though I must say I know next to nothing about it, havent researched it yet. The goal of this thread is to create the ultimate precworkout concoction instead of the over priced bull we buy that can be easily made from quality bulk supplements. My flavoring system of choice was going to be cytomax or crystal light or just plain old Gatorade like the last poster suggested. What else can or should be added?
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    I think acety-l-carnatine would be an awesome addition it has great synergistic effects with cafine and tyrosine. 3g is a good dose.

    I've always like creatine di/tri-malate. But creatine is creatine at the end of the day.
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    Solid concoction you got there, man. I'm the same way. Got sick and tired of these preworkout formulatiions with unknown quantities and artificial ingredients. Currently, I am taking 10 Hemavol tabs preworkout with 5 g creatine monohydrate, 200 mg caffeine in a cheap tablet form, 5 g BCAAs, and 1 g beta alanine.
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    Can someone tell me why so many of you guys supplement aminos so heavily. Can't you get all 22 aminos from protein sources?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler_Durden
    Can someone tell me why so many of you guys supplement aminos so heavily. Can't you get all 22 aminos from protein sources?
    The theory is gettin aminos during a workout or preworkout increases anabolism by ceasing catabolism and hell yeah you can get aminos from food but you aren't gunna be walking around the gym with a steak or eating a big meal preworkout. IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler_Durden
    Can someone tell me why so many of you guys supplement aminos so heavily. Can't you get all 22 aminos from protein sources?
    Well bcaas always worked for me intra workout in the past so I can't see the harm and xtend tastes so damn good you can't go wrong.

    Ok so I've orderd the following

    Xtend
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    Creatine mono
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    Agmatine
    Caffeine
    Alcar
    Choline
    Betaine
    Cittruline maleate
    Taurine
    Hope I'm not forgetting anything and thank you to everyone for the help
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    Just an update on this thread for anyone who cares to know. The formula has been working phenomenally for me and who ever reccomded Agmatine, well let me just say that **** is crazy! The pumps are incredible, I've never experienced anything like it from a non hormonal compound. It's weird though I take about a gram 45 min pre workout and half way thru I begin to get a bit shaky and extremely hungry, anyone have a possible explanation for this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbb123 View Post
    Just an update on this thread for anyone who cares to know. The formula has been working phenomenally for me and who ever reccomded Agmatine, well let me just say that **** is crazy! The pumps are incredible, I've never experienced anything like it from a non hormonal compound. It's weird though I take about a gram 45 min pre workout and half way thru I begin to get a bit shaky and extremely hungry, anyone have a possible explanation for this?
    Glad you like the agmatine . SNS just came out with a 100g powder which will be the cheapest, gram for gram, on the market. Also very high quality as always.

    Agmatine also lowers blood sugar (this is a good thing), which is likely what you are experiencing. I take my agmatine with a high carb preworkout meal, rather than immediately preworkout, for this reason. Taking it without a meal, as you are doing, should increase peptide hormone release/GH output.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Glad you like the agmatine . SNS just came out with a 100g powder which will be the cheapest, gram for gram, on the market. Also very high quality as always.

    Agmatine also lowers blood sugar (this is a good thing), which is likely what you are experiencing. I take my agmatine with a high carb preworkout meal, rather than immediately preworkout, for this reason
    I'm almost done with my primaforce stuff so I think I will buy the Sns capsules tommorow, I hate powders tbh. Just a random question mr cooper, I just bought some glycobol, can you recommend a dosing scheme? I'm a bit confused as to how and when it should be taken, the information I have gathers is conflicting at best.
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