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  1. Just a quick update with regards to the betaine study.

    We saw some pretty impressive improvements in body composition and increases in upper arm muscle mass and improved upper body training volume with betaine.

    I'm presenting the dissertation study Tuesday August 21st (9:30 am) at Springfield College (MA) if anyone is interested in getting more info or a quick tour of the facilities.

    Br


  2. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    I'm presenting the dissertation study Tuesday August 21st (9:30 am) at Springfield College (MA) if anyone is interested in getting more info or a quick tour of the facilities.
    Br
    Will your dissertation be put online after you are finished? At the university where I graduated all dissertations are made available for download as protected PDF files.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Greenhulk View Post
    Will your dissertation be put online after you are finished? At the university where I graduated all dissertations are made available for download as protected PDF files.
    I'm not sure if Springfield does that. I'll find out. I will be submitting it for publication after the defense.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    Just a quick update with regards to the betaine study.

    We saw some pretty impressive improvements in body composition and increases in upper arm muscle mass and improved upper body training volume with betaine.

    I'm presenting the dissertation study Tuesday August 21st (9:30 am) at Springfield College (MA) if anyone is interested in getting more info or a quick tour of the facilities.

    Br
    Hmm.. interesting.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    I'm not sure if Springfield does that. I'll find out. I will be submitting it for publication after the defense.
    So, we can find it through PubMed sooner or later if your manuscripts gets accepted, right? Do you already know where you want to submit it to, I mean which journal?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Greenhulk View Post
    So, we can find it through PubMed sooner or later if your manuscripts gets accepted, right? Do you already know where you want to submit it to, I mean which journal?
    Yes, that's correct. I have a pretty good relationship with ACSM's journal Medicine and Science in Sport and Exercise. So I will submit it there first.

    Br

  7. What about TMG's effects on mood? Any negative sides noted there?

  8. Good discussion in here. Good to hear your study came out with some good results. Interested in checking it out once published.

    Both Purus' preworkouts (Muscle Marinade and ConDense) both have 2.5gs per serving so good to have more information coming out on it.
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  9. I was going to buy some more TMG before reading this thread, but this makes me want to buy it even more. I wish nutra had like a 500g bulk powder tub of it.
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  10. Glad I jumped in this thread. Good stuff in here, in for the knowledge.
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  11. Bought 150g of TMG a while back, had it sitting around until I started taking the bottles recommended 2100mg a day with my sns creatine monohydrate and sns DAA about a week ago. Glad to hear there are possibly additional benefits to its supplementation!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    What about TMG's effects on mood? Any negative sides noted there?
    Likely no effect, but should be positive if anything.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    I was going to buy some more TMG before reading this thread, but this makes me want to buy it even more. I wish nutra had like a 500g bulk powder tub of it.
    I think smart powders has it in bulk.

    To anyone purchasing betaine, make sure you get the anhydrous and not the HCL.

    Br

  14. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    I think smart powders has it in bulk.

    To anyone purchasing betaine, make sure you get the anhydrous and not the HCL.

    Br

    why.. whats the difference. I get mine from sp to.
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  15. Betaine HCL is for low stomach acid and too much would have a negative effect on your health (stomach).

    TMG (betaine anhydrous) is not the same as betaine HCL
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh
    Betaine HCL is for low stomach acid and too much would have a negative effect on your health (stomach).

    TMG (betaine anhydrous) is not the same as betaine HCL
    Is this the right kind? http://m.vitacost.com/vitacost-tmg-t...aine-anhydrous

  17. Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    Yes, see anhydrous
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  18. Yes
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  19. Can you please provide your opinion on the other supplements one should take w/ TMG to control homocystein? What are your thoughts on adding supplemental methionine?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    Can you please provide your opinion on the other supplements one should take w/ TMG to control homocystein? What are your thoughts on adding supplemental methionine?
    The question is why are you trying to control or lower homocysteine? Do you have homocysteinemia (elevated Hcy levels)?
    Folate will also reduce Hcy levels.

    Taking extra methionine will actually elevate Hcy. This is how they determine a supplements effects on Hcy...they provide a methionine load after the supplement has been taken and absorbed. Extra dietary Met (that is not used in protein synthesis) eventually is converted to Hcy...
    Met <--> Hcy

    and having too much Met will push the reaction in the Hcy direction.

    Br

  21. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    The question is why are you trying to control or lower homocysteine? Do you have homocysteinemia (elevated Hcy levels)?
    Folate will also reduce Hcy levels.

    Taking extra methionine will actually elevate Hcy. This is how they determine a supplements effects on Hcy...they provide a methionine load after the supplement has been taken and absorbed. Extra dietary Met (that is not used in protein synthesis) eventually is converted to Hcy...
    Met <--> Hcy

    and having too much Met will push the reaction in the Hcy direction.

    Br
    Thank you – let me provide some additional information.
    I am almost certain I am (very) under-methylated. I believe my histimine levels are very high.

    To address this I will be taking TMG, GABA, P-5-P, Tyrosine,
    Folinic Acid, MethylB12, Creatine, Vitamin C, Vitamin B6, Zinc, Methionine, and Magnesium. I want to avoid driving my homocysteine up, thus the addition of things like Foliniv Acid, MethylB12, Vitamin C and Vitamin B6.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    The question is why are you trying to control or lower homocysteine? Do you have homocysteinemia (elevated Hcy levels)?
    Folate will also reduce Hcy levels.

    Taking extra methionine will actually elevate Hcy. This is how they determine a supplements effects on Hcy...they provide a methionine load after the supplement has been taken and absorbed. Extra dietary Met (that is not used in protein synthesis) eventually is converted to Hcy...
    Met <--> Hcy

    and having too much Met will push the reaction in the Hcy direction.

    Br
    Thank you Ė let me provide some additional information.
    I am almost certain I am (very) under-methylated. I believe my histimine levels are very high.

    To address this I will be taking TMG, GABA, P-5-P, Tyrosine,
    Folinic Acid, MethylB12, Creatine, Vitamin C, Vitamin B6, Zinc, Methionine, and Magnesium. I want to avoid driving my homocysteine up, thus the addition of things like Foliniv Acid, MethylB12, Vitamin C and Vitamin B6.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    Thank you Ė let me provide some additional information.I am almost certain I am (very) under-methylated. I believe my histimine levels are very high.To address this I will be taking TMG, GABA, P-5-P, Tyrosine, Folinic Acid, MethylB12, Creatine, Vitamin C, Vitamin B6, Zinc, Methionine, and Magnesium. I want to avoid driving my homocysteine up, thus the addition of things like Foliniv Acid, MethylB12, Vitamin C and Vitamin B6.
    You may want to keep away from chlorogenic acid and glycocyamine as well.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    You may want to keep away from chlorogenic acid and glycocyamine as well.
    Thank you.

    I know Green Coffe Bean has chlorogenic acid, and I assume regular coffee has it as well. Now then, regular coffee is my one remaining vice (don't drink, smoke, no drugs, etc.). so I may have to just live with some downside - I guess I have to pick my poison.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    Thank you.I know Green Coffe Bean has chlorogenic acid, and I assume regular coffee has it as well. Now then, regular coffee is my one remaining vice (don't drink, smoke, no drugs, etc.). so I may have to just live with some downside - I guess I have to pick my poison.
    Coffee is actually fantastic for health. The elevation in homocysteine may not actually be causative of pathology.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Beau View Post
    Thank you.

    I know Green Coffe Bean has chlorogenic acid, and I assume regular coffee has it as well. Now then, regular coffee is my one remaining vice (don't drink, smoke, no drugs, etc.). so I may have to just live with some downside - I guess I have to pick my poison.
    As with everything in life...anything in excess tends to bring a downside. Like Coop stated, coffee has many positive health benefits.
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  27. Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    As with everything in life...anything in excess tends to bring a downside. Like Coop stated, coffee has many positive health benefits.
    I am glad. I appreciate a good cup o' Joe, or two.

  28. I agree bubba. It's the whole smell/taste package I love.
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  29. Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF
    I agree bubba. I love smelling and tasting packages.
    Whatever floats your boat!
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