Banaba and Corosolic Acid: Which % is most effective?

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  1. Question Banaba and Corosolic Acid: Which % is most effective?


    I have my own views on the topic that I will keep to myself (at least until after some responses are in), but I would like to stimulate discussion by asking you, the consumer, what extract of banaba you feel is most effective? As a background, the two schools of thought, both backed by reputable formulators:

    1. Lower % corosolic acid is better. The other constituents of banaba are responsible for the majority of glucose control effects.

    2. Higher % corosolic acid is better. Corosolic acid is the prime constituent of banaba that improves insulin sensitivity.

    I'm willing to entertain personal experiences or glucometer tests since the research isn't cut and dry. If you have any anecdotal OR scientific feedback, I'd love to hear it.

    Common extract %s are: 1, 2, 20.


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  4. I like them both. Tannins are responsible for a lot. As is the corosolic acid

  5. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    I like them both. Tannins are responsible for a lot. As is the corosolic acid
    Thoughts on lower % extracts having significantly higher Penta-O-galloyl-glucopyranose content?
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Thoughts on lower % extracts having significantly higher Penta-O-galloyl-glucopyranose content?
    Each lot will be different. Along with % constituents. They vary.

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    Very awesome discussion idea Coop.

    I have no real answer YET, but it seems interesting that lower corsolic acid contents could be superior.

    Also, only pubmed study I find on glut4translocation is in mice; a study close to a decade old. Be nice if this stuff was studied in athletes.

    Also nice to come across a lot of apoptosis induction of cancer cells and anti-carcinogen studies. Not why we necessarily buy it, but very good to know.

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  11. I am VERY familiar with Bryon Richards website and work. As far as its concerned there are many other ingredients that can increase glut4 translocation as well as function as an anti adipogenic agent. These can be in the form or PPARy PARTIAL agonists.

    you would really have to see what the normal % of PGG is in banaba and then take it from there. If it is not standardized, all banaba will contain X amount of the PGG, as well as what it is standardized to ( in our case corosolic acid)

  12. Great links. For the record, corosolic acid does indeed stimulate Glut4 translocation. My question is whether or not a banaba extract has MORE potent/favorable compounds in quantities sufficient to justify lowering the % of a known constituent that works (corosolic acid, in this case). In my eyes, PGG seems to be of greater value to a BBer, but the question remains.

  13. like i said before, everything has x percentage of a specific constituent. The standardization shouldnt take away from that.

    if you truely wanted to see what would happen a 10:1 extract in which nothing is standardized is cheap and may be effective.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    like i said before, everything has x percentage of a specific constituent. The standardization shouldnt take away from that.

    if you truely wanted to see what would happen a 10:1 extract in which nothing is standardized is cheap and may be effective.
    Understood. Have you tested an unstandardized extract, and if so, are you at liberty to disclose which compounds were most prominent and/or potent.

  15. i have not.

    But ive used 1%, 1.5%, and 10:1 and 20% at different doses. The 20 percent was more potent mg for mg for blood sugar.

    I didnt gauge leanness though. but id use 10g a day of banaba 10:1. I can order a kilo and do it.

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  19. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I have my own views on the topic that I will keep to myself (at least until after some responses are in), but I would like to stimulate discussion by asking you, the consumer, what extract of banaba you feel is most effective? As a background, the two schools of thought, both backed by reputable formulators:

    1. Lower % corosolic acid is better. The other constituents of banaba are responsible for the majority of glucose control effects.

    2. Higher % corosolic acid is better. Corosolic acid is the prime constituent of banaba that improves insulin sensitivity.

    I'm willing to entertain personal experiences or glucometer tests since the research isn't cut and dry. If you have any anecdotal OR scientific feedback, I'd love to hear it.

    Common extract %s are: 1, 2, 20.
    I would also be interested in understanding what an effective dose for each extract would be. I have seen the 1% extract used at 100mg which means that 1mg of corosolic acid per serving is effective as a GDA ingredient?

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  22. Quote Originally Posted by tvg67

    I would also be interested in understanding what an effective dose for each extract would be. I have seen the 1% extract used at 100mg which means that 1mg of corosolic acid per serving is effective as a GDA ingredient?
    The human glucose study was done w 10mg corosolic acid

  23. Anyone have a verdict?

    I'm a huge Anabolic Pump fan. I respond VERY well to it. Leaning out, crazy pumps, and increased vascularity. All progressively improving as I continue AP.

    Slin Sane 2 looks solid as well, but obviously very different. I am curious to find out if the 1mg CA in Slin Sane will bring any benefit. I believe the CA in AP is at least 10mg.

    But both products contain other ingredients which are very beneficial to body comp and overall health.

    Going to run blood glucose tests on the both of them soon. Although achieving lower blood glucose is not my main priority, it is still telling of the effectiveness of a product as a GDA. Translocation to muscle and insulin sensitizing effects are my main goal at this point in my life, if possible.
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  24. Increased akt phosphorylation?

    Edit: in reference to lower percentage corsolic acid.
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  26. Sorry to see this thread die.
    SlinSane v2 looks promising and is being heavily promoted in another thread but it has the 1% extract at 100mg.
    I was hoping someone from Genomyx would jump in here and support this dosage as being effective?

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  28. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    in for this.. will add later when have time
    Interested in your future post. You always leave me plenty of cool studies to read when you contribute.

  29. After a quick review of the literature I would say 1% corosolic acid > every other %. The research supports this and I imagine a lower % makes it more cost effective as well so I am not seeing a reason for getting a higher standardized percent of corosolic.
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