Best supps for am training on empty stomach. Goal is getting lean.

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    it works. optimizes insulin sensitivity, raises growth hormone, makes you almost unable to gain significant bodyfat, lets you eat garbage foods again
    The only thing that I am unsure of is the fact that they say you can sub whey for BCAA's if necessary, but it seems like a descent amount of calories for fasting. Also, I have always been told that protein and carbs are essential immediately after your workout. Will BCAA's an hour post workout really have the same effect?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Karljustin View Post
    The only thing that I am unsure of is the fact that they say you can sub whey for BCAA's if necessary, but it seems like a descent amount of calories for fasting. Also, I have always been told that protein and carbs are essential immediately after your workout. Will BCAA's an hour post workout really have the same effect?

    Who told you that?. People trying to sell you post workout products?. Or was it on the back of a supplement container?
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  3. I always questioned it due to the effect of insulin spikes on GH post workout. I guess the f&$kers selling supplements are all in it together. Lots of BS out there on that topic.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Karljustin View Post
    The only thing that I am unsure of is the fact that they say you can sub whey for BCAA's if necessary, but it seems like a descent amount of calories for fasting. Also, I have always been told that protein and carbs are essential immediately after your workout. Will BCAA's an hour post workout really have the same effect?
    about half of the people using various forms of IF don't have anything for 3-6 hours post workout due to scheduling and they all (including me) seem to be doing fine. 10g bcaa or 5g leucine an hour (taken rapidly, not slowly through the hour) has next to 0 insulin response but maximizes protein synthesis. you know how "they" say you need the protein to rebuild? what exactly do "they" think happens to the aminos from the breakdown of the existing muscles? Do they burst into flames/get peed out? a significant fraction are available for re-use, in rebuilding.


    Quote Originally Posted by Karljustin View Post
    I always questioned it due to the effect of insulin spikes on GH post workout. I guess the f&$kers selling supplements are all in it together. Lots of BS out there on that topic.
    I will say that carbs in that "post workout window" can enhance FEELING of recovery. anything i've seen that looks at actual body comp shows pretty close to no difference.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    about half of the people using various forms of IF don't have anything for 3-6 hours post workout due to scheduling and they all (including me) seem to be doing fine. 10g bcaa or 5g leucine an hour (taken rapidly, not slowly through the hour) has next to 0 insulin response but maximizes protein synthesis. you know how "they" say you need the protein to rebuild? what exactly do "they" think happens to the aminos from the breakdown of the existing muscles? Do they burst into flames/get peed out? a significant fraction are available for re-use, in rebuilding.




    I will say that carbs in that "post workout window" can enhance FEELING of recovery. anything i've seen that looks at actual body comp shows pretty close to no difference.
    What about whey instead of BCAA's 5 mins before AM workout?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    about half of the people using various forms of IF don't have anything for 3-6 hours post workout due to scheduling and they all (including me) seem to be doing fine. 10g bcaa or 5g leucine an hour (taken rapidly, not slowly through the hour) has next to 0 insulin response but maximizes protein synthesis. you know how "they" say you need the protein to rebuild? what exactly do "they" think happens to the aminos from the breakdown of the existing muscles? Do they burst into flames/get peed out? a significant fraction are available for re-use, in rebuilding.




    I will say that carbs in that "post workout window" can enhance FEELING of recovery. anything i've seen that looks at actual body comp shows pretty close to no difference.
    lol at burst into flames. I recently reduced the amount of post w/o carbs I have by a significant amount and have seen zero change in recovery.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Karljustin View Post
    What about whey instead of BCAA's 5 mins before AM workout?
    if you want. so long as you keep total calories in the 50 or under range should be fine. the bcaas are nicer in my opinion, just the varieties of flavor available and them not being so thick + gloppy as whey. i'd rather have the lighter feeling in my stomach, but thats just me

  8. What about ALCAR w/ the Yohimbine Hcl / BCAA combo? any additional benefit if taken PreW?
    :blindfold:

  9. Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post
    What about ALCAR w/ the Yohimbine Hcl / BCAA combo? any additional benefit if taken PreW?
    some focus difference for the workout, not really a big fat loss or other difference. carnosines are more about establishing higher cellular concentration long term from what I can tell.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    some focus difference for the workout, not really a big fat loss or other difference. carnosines* carnitines are more about establishing higher cellular concentration long term from what I can tell.
    I take it daily but wasn't sure if there was any fat-loss advantage to dosing pre. Thanks for clearing that up.
    :blindfold:

  11. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    if you want. so long as you keep total calories in the 50 or under range should be fine. the bcaas are nicer in my opinion, just the varieties of flavor available and them not being so thick + gloppy as whey. i'd rather have the lighter feeling in my stomach, but thats just me
    So a BCAA powder with 3g of carbs a serving is cool?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Karljustin View Post
    So a BCAA powder with 3g of carbs a serving is cool?
    yeah, even if its 10g bcaa with that, you are talking a peak possible of 52 calories, and likely not even that really the way bcaas are digested

  13. So what's more important when training fasted- preworkout nutrition or post workout nutrition? The reason I ask is because I prefer to train on empty with only black coffee and then immediately post workout I slam a shake with whey, milk, banana , pb and cinnamon. Am a playing with fire when it comes to gains or muscle loss. Just not big on bcaa ( not for any particular reason)

  14. Quote Originally Posted by 0071982WC View Post
    So what's more important when training fasted- preworkout nutrition or post workout nutrition? The reason I ask is because I prefer to train on empty with only black coffee and then immediately post workout I slam a shake with whey, milk, banana , pb and cinnamon. Am a playing with fire when it comes to gains or muscle loss. Just not big on bcaa ( not for any particular reason)
    that's the best way to do it IMO.

  15. New Dexaprine + Compete= Fasted Boy's dream. I have been training fasted for over a year now and those two supplements are going to be in my arsenal for a while now. When in doubt, however, Black coffee & some BCAA's never let anyone down.
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  16. How important are the ratios of BCAA's. There is an 8-1-1, 3-2-2, etc.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Karljustin View Post
    How important are the ratios of BCAA's. There is an 8-1-1, 3-2-2, etc.
    Each have different purposes.
    The best is to find one with high valine for preW / intraW
    and high leu for intraW / postW.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Karljustin View Post
    How important are the ratios of BCAA's. There is an 8-1-1, 3-2-2, etc.
    45mg/kg BW in leucine and call it.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Karljustin View Post
    How important are the ratios of BCAA's. There is an 8-1-1, 3-2-2, etc.
    the ratio of how good it tastes vs how much it costs is the most important. If you get overall decent protein in the rest of the day, the particular ratio is meaningless.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL

    the ratio of how good it tastes vs how much it costs is the most important. If you get overall decent protein in the rest of the day, the particular ratio is meaningless.
    My thoughts exactly
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  21. About to start the IF regimen. Kind of eased my way into it last week. About to order some bulk BCAA's and a fat burner. Have been using Oxy but I want to get away from high stim supplements because they hit me too hard when I take them durring fast. I was thinking of trying New Alpha T2. Any suggestions?

  22. + ALCAR (and idebenone)

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    BCAA
    Rauwolscine or Alpha-T2
    Caffeine
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  23. Ever try any transdermals for site specific fat loss?

  24. Topicals work for some and not so much for others. HIT or MISS.

    Also, if you are not at relatively low levels bodyfat levels while administering product, chances are you won't notice too much of a difference

    PS: Transdermals: Deliver drugs/supps systemically. As such, are not intended for site-specific (local) activity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karljustin View Post
    Ever try any transdermals for site specific fat loss?
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Karljustin View Post
    The only time I can find to work out is 4:30 in the morning. I typically go on an empty stomach and a typical low carb pre-workout supp (Hyper FX, Jacked, etc.). Afterwards I drink a protein shake (gold standard), take my vitamins(mega men), and eat an apple. I am trying to lose my handles and maintain lean muscle. I have shifted to 3 cardio workouts (35 min high intensity) and 3 weightlifting workouts a week. If I have to miss a workout (usually on Saturday due to watching my 3yr old) it is usually weight training and i hit those body parts the next week. My biggest concern that by working out on an empty stomach I am sacrificing lean muscle for the sake of fat loss. Also I fear I am not supplementing correctly to utilize stored fat for energy.
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  26. I didnt go with empty stomach ! bt dont forgot to take ninja
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