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    Just started taking lclt. Going for 2 grams preworkout or 2 grams AM on off days. Is this a supplement that you can "feel" over time? Alcar seems to give better mental clarity but I am trying lclt for the AR benefits.

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    I feel LCLT, but not everyone does.

    2g is a great starting dosage, I've been enjoying bumping it up to 4g lately.
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    When you say you feel it, what exactly do you feel?
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    The hell? You're supposed to feel lclt? I always assumed carnitines didnt provide a real "change" just had to assume they worked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    The hell? You're supposed to feel lclt? I always assumed carnitines didnt provide a real "change" just had to assume they worked.
    they dont for most people. Its more of a mental edge/focus I get from it. Not anything like stims
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    Do you feel it has any benefits for recovery or muscle growth with its affects on AR up-regulation?
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    i dont think it will make a big enough difference for you to be like "whoa I've been on LCLT for 4 weeks, and I'm up 8lbs!", however over time, it will add up and create more gains.
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    Yeah I figured it was subtle over time. I can live with that. Prob makes androgen cycles more effective also.
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    I can see a difference in my workout when I use 2-4g of LCLT a day, for me I feel it's much more effective stacked with DAA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    I can see a difference in my workout when I use 2-4g of LCLT a day, for me I feel it's much more effective stacked with DAA.
    carnitine + nmda receptor activation = win.
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    Would it be beneficial to dose 2 grams twice per day and get the 4 grams you suggested? Long term wouldn't 2 grams be just as effective as 4?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    The hell? You're supposed to feel lclt? I always assumed carnitines didnt provide a real "change" just had to assume they worked.
    I honestly feel much better when on ALCAR. Its hard to describe. Its almost like my brain works better and I can think clearer. I don't know if its possible and maybe its placebo but I don't care. It works for me and it has been a staple of mine for a while now.
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    Can't necessarily isolate this to LCLT only, but I don't get DOMS after my workouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonbero View Post
    I honestly feel much better when on ALCAR. Its hard to describe. Its almost like my brain works better and I can think clearer. I don't know if its possible and maybe its placebo but I don't care. It works for me and it has been a staple of mine for a while now.
    I feel the same thing. ALCAR has actually made me smarter.
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    I have become a fan of alcar and lclt. Would add gplc but it is a little pricey. I feel, well, clearer with alcar, and I use lclt for improved recovery.
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    LCLT is a great basic supplement.
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    Love LCLT especially right about now stacked with XFA
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    Take 2g preworkout only. Don't bother on off-days. Expect soreness reduction and improved recovery overall.
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    I thought timing didn't matter with lclt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    Take 2g preworkout only. Don't bother on off-days. Expect soreness reduction and improved recovery overall.
    Thought timing made no difference and that it took time to work ie. Continual use
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    Quote Originally Posted by StackedCop View Post
    I thought timing didn't matter with lclt?
    I know there are some studies showing it increases performance when taken pre-workout.
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    The effects on androgen receptor density, recovery, and performance (aka every documented/favorable effect of LCLT) are purely dependent on the effects of LCLT during your workout. Thus, timing is ABSOLUTELY key. If you're not taking it preworkout or at least periworkout, you are not benefiting from LCLT as you should be
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    Well I'm glad I've always taken it pre workout! When lclt first became popular most of the bros said timing didn't matter. Never really looked into tho thanks coop

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    Ive taken various l carntines over the years you can even search this forum when i advocated alcar bigtime.

    I think they all work the similarly and although the only test done on androgen receptors was on lclt, I like to think all of them have this effect.

    That said since the test is done on lclt AI sports Nutrition made sure we go with the studies so pick yours up today

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    I love LCLT its became a go to supplement for me. 2 to 3 grams preworkout is money for me. Its nothing i feel but it is something that will help overtime for someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    The effects on androgen receptor density, recovery, and performance (aka every documented/favorable effect of LCLT) are purely dependent on the effects of LCLT during your workout. Thus, timing is ABSOLUTELY key. If you're not taking it preworkout or at least periworkout, you are not benefiting from LCLT as you should be
    Well said Coop!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
    The effects on androgen receptor density, recovery, and performance (aka every documented/favorable effect of LCLT) are purely dependent on the effects of LCLT during your workout. Thus, timing is ABSOLUTELY key. If you're not taking it preworkout or at least periworkout, you are not benefiting from LCLT as you should be
    Awesome, so no point in taking it pre and post? 3gpre and then i have protocol post workout which is ~2g
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    Ive taken various l carntines over the years you can even search this forum when i advocated alcar bigtime.

    I think they all work the similarly and although the only test done on androgen receptors was on lclt, I like to think all of them have this effect.

    That said since the test is done on lclt AI sports Nutrition made sure we go with the studies so pick yours up today

    I take 3 grams year round and 5 grams pre contest
    is it cool if I left my AI LCLT in the car in the heat? The container was really warm when I took it out..
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    LOL...and I like to think creatine increases my test. Unfortunately science doesn't care what we think

    I wouldnt have said anything but that big pic in an otherwise pimpless thread was a little bit obnoxious imo.

    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    Ive taken various l carntines over the years you can even search this forum when i advocated alcar bigtime.

    I think they all work the similarly and although the only test done on androgen receptors was on lclt, I like to think all of them have this effect.
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    damn! Ive been doing wrong!!!

    I take 2G in the morning and 1 G preworkout...

    SMH!

    switching to all pre now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    Awesome, so no point in taking it pre and post? 3gpre and then i have protocol post workout which is ~2g
    You don't need more than 2g/day anyway, though only one study has ventured above that (4g).

    Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger View Post
    damn! Ive been doing wrong!!!

    I take 2G in the morning and 1 G preworkout...

    SMH!

    switching to all pre now.

    thanks coop
    You were still getting some benefits from LCLT, just not the advertised ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    You don't need more than 2g/day anyway, though only one study has ventured above that (4g).



    You were still getting some benefits from LCLT, just not the advertised ones.
    I thought the studies used the amount of lclt to get 2 grams of the carnitine. Wouldn't that mean at least a 4 gram dose of lclt? I haven't looked up the molecular weights or anything, though. Or when they say carnitine do they just refer to lclt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    I thought the studies used the amount of lclt to get 2 grams of the carnitine. Wouldn't that mean at least a 4 gram dose of lclt? I haven't looked up the molecular weights or anything, though. Or when they say carnitine do they just refer to lclt.
    There are a lot of studies, and we see both. For the purposes of saving $$, I generally go with the lower-dosed, effective option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    You don't need more than 2g/day anyway, though only one study has ventured above that (4g).
    what was the outcome of the 4 gram study? I only take 2 pre exercise until I see otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Younglifter16 View Post
    what was the outcome of the 4 gram study? I only take 2 pre exercise until I see otherwise.
    It would take a lot of sifting to find the study, but the conclusions mirrored all the 2g/day studies: improved markers of recovery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveGabe24 View Post
    LOL...and I like to think creatine increases my test. Unfortunately science doesn't care what we think

    I wouldnt have said anything but that big pic in an otherwise pimpless thread was a little bit obnoxious imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveGabe24 View Post
    LOL...and I like to think creatine increases my test. Unfortunately science doesn't care what we think

    I wouldnt have said anything but that big pic in an otherwise pimpless thread was a little bit obnoxious imo.
    Haha unreal post, thank you bpjohn for making sure I saw it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Younglifter16 View Post
    is it cool if I left my AI LCLT in the car in the heat? The container was really warm when I took it out..
    Yes, I keep my samples I hand out in the gym in my SUv and I get feedback how they enjoyed them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton

    Yes, I keep my samples I hand out in the gym in my SUv and I get feedback how they enjoyed them.
    I can imagine this,

    "Hey bro , come to my car I have something for you..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    There are a lot of studies, and we see both. For the purposes of saving $$, I generally go with the lower-dosed, effective option.
    Fair enough, 2 grams it is.
  

  
 

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