- 10-04-2004, 08:42 AM
hey, sorry if this question is elementary and been covered a thousand times before but this could serve as a good disscussion anway. I wanted to ask serious ephedrine users if in past cycles what negative side effects they had experianced, besides the obvious ones, like increased heart rate and difficulty getting to sleep. Currently i bumped my daily stack to 200mgC/50mgE/5mgY and i am experiancing some serious undesirable effects:
loss of libido (this one really sucks, and i have no idea why ephedrine would be causing it)
inhibition of skeletal muscle (this might be mental, but i'm feeling as if my contractions in the gym are weaker)
this is defenitly not the first time i have used the above stack, but i'm thinking my body is trying to tell me no more. so, experianced Ephedrine users, have you experianced any of the above sides or am i just crazy and nuerotic.
also i'm using vasporo brand ephedrine (the one you can get from 1fast400) which has guaifenesin.
- 10-04-2004, 11:52 AM
Yep, both ephedrine and yohimbine have the potential to cause anxiety and insomnia. Ephedrine can also cause temporary loss of libido and prostate enlargement (primary symptoms: limp [and sometimes] constricted penis, constantly contracted scrotum, weak urine stream, and frequent urination from the bladder not completely emptying due to enlarged prostate and from the constricted weenie). The symptoms should reverse themselves when you stop using the products. You may also want to consider not using ephedrine with yohimbine, which may lessen some of the symptoms you are describing.
My advice, for whatever it's worth, is to discontinue using the particular combination of products for the time being, then maybe try an e/c/ or y/c stack (depending on what you are trying to accomplish).
Originally Posted by OmarJackson
- 10-04-2004, 12:05 PM
How long have you been on the ECY stack? Maybe you need to cycle off...also maybe drop the E to 25 mg/dose. I hate the feeling I get if I take more than 25 mg/dose. You can take the dose multiple times per day, but try dropping down the amount per serving.
Make sure your drinking enough! This makes a big difference.
Also, if you're having problems with insomnia, try taking the last dose earlier. Your lack of sleep is probably the reason for the "inhibition of skeletal muscle".
As far as the libido...not sure, maybe due to the vaso-constricting effects of E...just a guess.
Hope this helps, and if it doesn't just stop using it, all those sides aren't worth it.
10-04-2004, 12:14 PM
well ****, i'm done with the stack indefinetly. You're right its not worth it. I just had one of the worst workouts of my life because i only got 5 hours of sleep the other night. the libido thing sucks, and my penis did feel constricted, which is weird because this is the first time this ever happened to me from using ephedrine. Does clen cause similar sexual side effects?
10-04-2004, 01:29 PM
There was an old thread about it called "Does clen affect the prostate".Originally Posted by OmarJackson
I'm not sure that we reached a definitive answer, but people seemed to think that it did affect the prostate in a similar way to ephedrine so maybe the loss of libido could result as well. Never used clen myself.
10-04-2004, 10:46 PM
****! i just read several threads over at bodybuilding.com and several other guys have experianced the same loss of libido, soft erections or complete erectile dysfuntion alltogher from ephedrine use. Oh god, i'm through with ephedrine. come to think of it, ever since i started taking it earlier this summer, my erections have felt softer. goddammit! This is not good for a 21 year old male, who is already self-concous about his wang size.
okay, anyone have any idea what i can do to reverse these sides, other than completly ditching all stimulants and vasoconstrictors which i have already decided to do so.
10-04-2004, 11:10 PM
Vasodialators. N02 is your friend.Originally Posted by OmarJackson
10-04-2004, 11:29 PM
been considering it but its pretty expensive, normally i wouldnt' be such a spaz, but just recently i met this girl that i really like so getting the hard wood back is really important right now. ****!Originally Posted by darius
what do you guys think about picking up some tribulus or yohimbine (actually have some around).
10-04-2004, 11:32 PM
Just get some Argnine.Originally Posted by OmarJackson
10-05-2004, 06:40 AM
Based on personal experience, 30 mg of zinc, on an empty stomach a few hours before "doin' the deed," is a cheap and effective endurance aid. Sounds too simple, I know, but it's the zinc content that appears to lend some creedance to the folks who swear by oysters. Since I don't eat oysters, I've experimented with zinc off and on with fairly consistent results.Originally Posted by OmarJackson
All night long...
10-05-2004, 07:36 AM
Originally Posted by OmarJackson
1fast has AAKG cheap.
10-05-2004, 11:28 AM
cool i'm gonna pick up some ZMA and take it for a while, try to give my whole system a boost, feeling overtrained anyway. and maybe go with the straight l-arginine before i dish out the money for the AAKG
10-05-2004, 12:51 PM
Got most of the sides above. They will disappear, ok. But will an enlarged prostate move back to normal? (don't think so?)Originally Posted by the Cardinal
What do you think, it's better to cease usage of ephedrine for me?
10-05-2004, 01:42 PM
This one is a common sense issue. If you don't like the sides, of a particular product, don't use it anymore.
I know you've read it a million time here, but in this particular case, the effects of ephedrine are really overshadowed by diet in particuar. Seems to me you're suffering side effects for what in the grand scheme are fairly minimal benefits. You've got to decide whats greater, the sides or the slim benefits you may get.
10-05-2004, 02:22 PM
As with much of the information available about bodybuilding supplements, it's mere speculation as to whether there are long term negative consequences, but in the short term, it has been my personal experience that the symptoms of prostate enlargement subsided as soon as the ephedrine cleared my system (i.e., 24 - 36 hours at most). Also, when I started taking Saw Palmetto Extract at 500 mg/ twice daily with my e/c/y supplement, the symptoms of prostate enlargement were greatly reduced (the penile constriction went away, and I didn't urinate every hour on the hour anymore - but the scrotal contraction remained constant).Originally Posted by Jerry1979
10-05-2004, 08:57 PM
god i hope so, because i ceased taking the ECY more than 24 hours ago and i can still feel the prostate pressure on the "taint" and the constricted penis. and i have to see this girl that i like again on thursday night, and my libido is just **** with these symptoms.Originally Posted by the Cardinal
and about the scrotal contraction you said it remained constant? for how long, was it permanant?
maybe i should pick up some cialis. thoughts?
10-06-2004, 01:07 AM
One side which happened to me was depression after I stopped a 5 month cycle, I hope you don't have to deal with this
10-06-2004, 06:21 AM
I wouldn't freak out - if you were healthy prior to taking e/c/y, then you'll be okay (and sooner rather than later!). If you are still experiencing some enlargement symptoms, I strongly suggest going to the supplement aisle of your local supermarket, drug store, supplement shop, or whatever and purchasing a bottle of Saw Palmetto extract. Take at least 500 mg/twice daily, and you'll be okay. Find a cheap brand of zinc, and use it on an empty stomach for a few days to reenergize "the boys."Originally Posted by OmarJackson
As for your libido concerns, I suggest trying a little test to see whether your arousal concerns at this point are more a mental issue than physical - view your favorite adult video, website, magazine, or whatever turns you on in privacy, and see if you become aroused. What you do at that point is up to you! It's a simple but effective way to determine "some things."
10-06-2004, 01:15 PM
okay its been 3 days since i posted this and i'm still feeling the effects of enlarged prostate and constricted penis. i decided to see what would happen if i busted a nut and hopefully that would take some of the pressure of my prostate, so i did, but i still feel the same. I'm starting to think this is psychological because i've been really stressed lately. oh well i'm going to pick up some saw-palmetto.
10-06-2004, 10:22 PM
IMPORTANT PLEASE READ AND TRY TO ANSWER:
okay so ephedrine may cause prostate enlargement and saw palmetto reduces prostate hypertrophy by the inhibiting the conversion of test into DHT in the prostate, so my question is why does ephedrine cause prostate hypertrophy and will saw palmetto and the inhibition of DHT conversion be of any help?
10-07-2004, 06:11 AM
You realize that there are no definitive answers to your questions? You do realize that for every attempt at explaining my understanding of these things, and why I may believe certain things about certain supplements/chemicals/hormones, that there will be others who will say "yeah, but..." or "no, you're wrong because...?" You do understand that research and understanding of chemicals, hormones, mechanisms of actions, etc are: 1) ongoing; and 2) is wayyyy beyond anything anybody on this board is gonna get into?Originally Posted by OmarJackson
Bottom line - check out Medline, SupplementWatch.com, Doctor's Guide, Google, etc... and decide for yourself if $5 spent on 100 capsules of Saw Palmetto extract is worth it To YOU, because only you can decide.
10-07-2004, 06:29 AM
10-07-2004, 04:21 PM
I have been taking prducts containing ephedra(Ripped fuel, Yellow jackets, Stacker, etc.) for NINE years straight. I don't seem to have any prostate problems, but I don't get as hard as I probably should. My main problem is that I can't stay energetic or even awake without it. I try to quit, but I need energy for my job and lifting and caffiene alone does not cut it. If I go long enough without it, do you think my body will recover or is it shot? Any advice on what to do would be greatly appreciated. BTW I never take equal or more then the recommended dose, I always took light doses.(if that even matters)
10-08-2004, 02:54 PM
dude thats lucky, or maybe i'm just unlucky. I have only been taking ephedrine for 3 months on and off, the first 2 months only pre-workout, then a 2 week break, then 1 month of 25-50mg per day. Its been 4 days since i discontinued use and i'm still ****ing constricted as hell in my penis, like they're a tight rubberband around my shaft, and my prostate is still acting up, it feels as if i got something stuck up my ass, as you can imagine these things have my libido at an all time low, and its getting me pretty down. DAMN! THIS **** BETTER NOT AFFECT MY WORKOUTS.Originally Posted by muscles4life
right now i'm taking zinc, magnesium, saw palmetto, and L-arginine and considering ordering some NO2 (the AAKG kind) and some cialis maybe.
10-08-2004, 04:20 PM
My doses were 25-75 mg per day. I guess I'm lucky compared to you, I wish I had some energy though. Out of the nine years I probably had about 60-90 days off of it.Originally Posted by OmarJackson
10-09-2004, 11:26 AM
Have you tried a liquid B-complex for energy ? It has helped me.Originally Posted by muscles4life
10-09-2004, 04:05 PM
How many times a day are you taking that? 25mg is plenty for me and I dont like taking it more than once I day. I have taking it up to 3 times a day but it just isn't worth it. I defenitly feel the anxiety taking it more than once a day. I take it in the morning sometimes to help get started cause I get up at 5AM and head to the gym first thing.Originally Posted by OmarJackson
10-09-2004, 05:15 PM
I take a B-complex pill, haven't seen or tried the liquid, Does it work alot better than the pill?Originally Posted by Iron Warrior
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