[WARBIRDWS6]

So, you're supposed to take time off of LCLT from what I hear....is it mandatory to take time off from ALCAR? PLCAR? and "cycle" those as well? or are you supposed to use one form for several months, then another form for several months, and cycle them like that? since they are all different and have different effects, its a way to cycle them and cause confusion I suppose, but you'd lose that particular benefit specific to the version you are excluding. For instance you would want to take the LCLT with your prohormone/designer or natural test boosting cycles....then cycle off of it when you are not on these products. basically was wondering if using different versions of carnitine in cycles of months is a good idea, or if some forms are OK to take year round and some are best cycled...sort of confusing....

[mr.cooper69]

Why do you need time off from LCLT? You should cycle everything, but I can't find a reason to stop taking one unless you fear pro-oxidation from some.

[WARBIRDWS6]

Why do you need time off from LCLT? You should cycle everything, but I can't find a reason to stop taking one unless you fear pro-oxidation from some.

I never really thought of cycling the LCLT, but I know many guys on here suggest it....I supposed the reason was the same as most other things....if you take it too long the effects would attenuate and you would start losing the beneficial effects (but I don't actually know why they suggested to cycle it). So basically you can do the same as with vitamins and minerals and just take any carnitine 365?

[mr.cooper69]

I never really thought of cycling the LCLT, but I know many guys on here suggest it....I supposed the reason was the same as most other things....if you take it too long the effects would attenuate and you would start losing the beneficial effects (but I don't actually know why they suggested to cycle it). So basically you can do the same as with vitamins and minerals and just take any carnitine 365?

No, I cycle EVERYTHING, but I just can't find a reason besides "the need to cycle everything" to actually cycle LCLT. Man try reading that 10x fast.

[WARBIRDWS6]

No, I cycle EVERYTHING, but I just can't find a reason besides "the need to cycle everything" to actually cycle LCLT. Man try reading that 10x fast.

one valid reason is that you save money not buying it? but yeah, I'll probably use the LCLT while on any cycle and in PCT, and take a short break from it during off time. probably the best way to work it. I gotta try that PLCAR next time I order as well.....ALCAR has always worked well for me but it seems to keep me up at night for some reason even if I take it first thing in the morning (but maybe its just in my head)

[VaughnTrue]

Carnitines are very cool compounds. ALCAR/LCLT/Fumarate/PLCAR are all useful/unique.


Iforce plans on getting into the carnitine game very big coming up soon

[mr.cooper69]

Carnitines are very cool compounds. ALCAR/LCLT/Fumarate/PLCAR are all useful/unique.


Iforce plans on getting into the carnitine game very big coming up soon

As a carnitine-fan-extraordinairre, I'm axcite

[UKNoko]

LOL. You guys are growing your supps range wild.

Regards cycling LCLT - I'd think if something is in your food supply constantly anyway why to cycle it? It would be like "well I've been eating meat for 4 weeks lets go vegan for a week..."
Correct me if I'm wrong

[mr.cooper69]

LOL. You guys are growing your supps range wild.

Regards cycling LCLT - I'd think if something is in your food supply constantly anyway why to cycle it? It would be like "well I've been eating meat for 4 weeks lets go vegan for a week..."
Correct me if I'm wrong

Everything is dose-dependent. You aren't getting 2g daily via diet.

[VaughnTrue]

As a carnitine-fan-extraordinairre, I'm axcite

Still waitin on dem nudz.

[WARBIRDWS6]

I was interested in the PLCAR for the cardiac benefits I have heard about recently. Not sure how pronounced these effects are though.

[mr.cooper69]

I was interested in the PLCAR for the cardiac benefits I have heard about recently. Not sure how pronounced these effects are though.

It should, in theory, affect cardiac efficiency. But the positive effects on metabolism should theoretically apply to all tissues, hence its activity as an ergogen.

[antihero]

I was interested in the PLCAR for the cardiac benefits I have heard about recently. Not sure how pronounced these effects are though.

I absolutely love PLCAR. I've been running it for about 2 months now.

Carnitines dont get the attention they deserve.

[WARBIRDWS6]

I see SNS has PLCAR at NP (how about all those abbreviations ??) in 500mg caps. I assume 1000mg is the daily dosage?

[UKNoko]

Everything is dose-dependent. You aren't getting 2g daily via diet.

Hmm, true, according to wiki 100g of beef steak has 95mg of L-carnitine... That would be at least 0.5g for me daily plus what gets synthesized from lysine and methonione (from meat and whey, I believe there should not be any carnitine in my whey powder) but I have no idea how to count the amount...

[mr.cooper69]

Hmm, true, according to wiki 100g of beef stake has 95mg of L-carnitine... That would be at least 0.5g for me daily plus what gets synthesized from lysine and methonione (from meat and whey, I believe there should not be any carnitine in my whey powder) but I have no idea how to count the amount...

Trust me, you're not getting 2g of LCLT a day. L-carnitine =/= LCLT. The research is all on 2g supplemental LCLT, meaning that it must be taken in addition to diet.

[mr.cooper69]

I see SNS has PLCAR at NP (how about all those abbreviations ??) in 500mg caps. I assume 1000mg is the daily dosage?

For what purpose? PLCAR has numerous functions: only carnitine to directly elevate muscle carnitine, cardiac benefits, energy production, combating fatigue, testosterone-like effects, etc

[WARBIRDWS6]

For what purpose? PLCAR has numerous functions: only carnitine to directly elevate muscle carnitine, cardiac benefits, energy production, combating fatigue, testosterone-like effects, etc

I suppose "all of the above" since they all sound appetizing....but specifically cardiac benefit. like I said though, may as well take the dosage that will give all the benefits.

[mr.cooper69]

I suppose "all of the above" since they all sound appetizing....but specifically cardiac benefit. like I said though, may as well take the dosage that will give all the benefits.

1g for an extended period of time for cardiac/muscle carnitine. 2g daily for the rest

[antihero]

I see SNS has PLCAR at NP (how about all those abbreviations ??) in 500mg caps. I assume 1000mg is the daily dosage?

I've been dosing at 2g/day.

[UKNoko]

Trust me, you're not getting 2g of LCLT a day. L-carnitine =/= LCLT. The research is all on 2g supplemental LCLT, meaning that it must be taken in addition to diet.

Sure, I don't. I'd have to eat like 4 big stakes daily for it I guess.
I agree on that if I mega-dose something that's already in food in some form it might not be good idea in long term. I didn't realise what are the numbers.

Doesn't LCLT dissociate in GI into L-carnitine and tartaric acid?

[WARBIRDWS6]

yeah that could get expensive. I suppose you could vary the dosage, keep it at 1g at all times and bump up to 2g when you wanted the added effects. keep the cost down.....

[mr.cooper69]

Sure, I don't. I'd have to eat like 4 big stakes daily for it I guess.
I agree on that if I mega-dose something that's already in food in some form it might not be good idea in long term. I didn't realise what are the numbers.

Doesn't LCLT dissociate in GI into L-carnitine and tartaric acid?

Yes but it is not so simple. The tartrate moiety results in effects that are simply not seen via pure l-carnitine supplementation (i.e. lessening hypoxanthine accumulation + reducing formation of ROS). When in doubt, follow the data.

[WPD111]

Not to jump in here but can you tell me when is the ultimate time ,dose and frequency for LCLT? I bought the A-I sports 1000mg per 300grm jug..

[WPD111]

1k per scoop ..300grm jar sorry