Not worth it. Craze+750mg Agmatine provides stupid, large pumps. Thats what im doing right now.Originally Posted by JonRubio
Tbh, I'm not a huge fan of Ultima. It has lots of stuff properly dosed but it's also very pricey. I prefer a medium stim preworkout+SNS CM+SNS Agmatine...
Although, Focus XT+Hemavol was AWESOME. Focus and pumps.








