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Specifically Rotator Cuffs I'm in desperate need! Thanks!!
Seems excessive.I'm happy with what I'm using right now-- Orange TRIad multivitamin (has joint support), Animal Flex, Super Cissus, and 10+grams fish oil
...coming off halo & 11 oxoSeems excessive.
proof is in the pudding here, just make sure when you have applied Joint Force to wrap it up as to keep in nice and warmSuperCissus Rx + Joint Force = foolproof
I agree, although flex would be my choice. Haven't had the recent success with SC as I would have liked.I've taken animal flex before and can second that it does work well! I still prefer supercissus though.
I hurt my shoulder some months ago and I picked Animal Flex, it's the first time I had to take
a joint sup, I'm half way the tub and pain is almost gone.
Keep in mind that I've been working out exactly in the same way
that I was before the injury (I do NOT recommend that, I'm stubborn)
So for me it works pretty well and it's cost effective, 44 packs, 1 pack a day
As i said, this is the first time - fortunately - in 15 years of training that I had to takeCan you say that joint-care products, cissus and omega-3 will only "Mask" the pain and as you come off joint-care products and cissus, etc it'll hurt once again?
My friend told me that 2 packs a day is better than one?
....lol?Thanks guys would it better just to get a
High-dosed Fish-Oil (liquid) yieliding 2000mg EPA / 1000mg DHA each serving
Cissus Quad (powder) 10-15g Training Days (4x a week) - 3-5g Off days (3x a week)
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Maybe a topical cream or so like
Jacks Hot Pink or Blue Heat. I was told Hot Pink is stronger than Blue Heat?
I don't think I'll get Glucosamine, MSM, Chond. as studies never shown any effectiveness?
Thanks guys!
Putting a heat pad on the application site before application is more practical and studied. I don't know who comes up with these wrap ideas.proof is in the pudding here, just make sure when you have applied Joint Force to wrap it up as to keep in nice and warm
Significantly? at what dose do you think it could be noticed?Glucosamine also reduces GLUT4 expression in skeletal muscle. Not exactly an ideal side effect for anyone concerned about body composition.
Royd knows a coupla things here and there^ that is interesting and never knew that before either.
I don't know for certain as I don't believe it's ever been verified (or not verified for that matter) to have a significant effect in vivo. But there is more than one research article that has shown this in vitro.Significantly? at what dose do you think it could be noticed?
I'm asking because in the past two weeks I got slightly pissed at my body comp,
and I'm trying to figure out why, I'm going thru the possible causes one at the time
(sodium vs water intake, estrogen rebound from stopping the clomid, fats intake during the week,
refeed size, etc..) but I haven't considered this because I had no idea
Glucosamine also reduces GLUT4 expression in skeletal muscle. Not exactly an ideal side effect for anyone concerned about body composition.
Hmm news to me, thanks for the info. Got a study? Even in vitro data can help us draw conclusions about the in vivo relevance.Glucosamine also reduces GLUT4 expression in skeletal muscle. Not exactly an ideal side effect for anyone concerned about body composition.
Mwuhahahahaahahahaha!NOW's topical celadrin is also another good option.
I also hear iForce might be coming out with a joint product in the near future
I guess there is actually some human research. Popping glucosamine glut4 into medline gets more, but this is most relevant:Hmm news to me, thanks for the info. Got a study? Even in vitro data can help us draw conclusions about the in vivo relevance.
Osteoarthritis Cartilage. 2011 Apr;19(4):375-80. Epub 2011 Jan 18.
[h=1]The effect of glucosamine on glucose metabolism in humans: a systematic review of the literature.[/h]Dostrovsky NR, Towheed TE, Hudson RW, Anastassiades TP.
[h=3]Source[/h]Department of Internal Medicine, Queens University, Kingston, Ontario, Canada.
[h=3]Abstract[/h][h=4]OBJECTIVE:[/h]Glucosamine is commonly used for the treatment of osteoarthritis. It is available as an over the counter preparation and also as a prescription pharmaceutical. There is concern from animal experiments that glucosamine may alter glucose metabolism through the hexosamine biosynthetic pathway. The objective of this systematic review is to determine if exogenous glucosamine adversely affects glucose metabolism in humans. This review does not separate out the effects on glucose metabolism of the various glucosamine preparations.
[h=4]METHOD:[/h]An English-language literature search of MEDLINE, EMBASE and EBM Reviews (1950-February 2009) was conducted. The bibliographies of selected papers were manually searched for additional references. Two reviewers independently analyzed studies for quality and content using a standardized data extraction form.
[h=4]RESULTS:[/h]Eleven studies were included. Six studies were randomized controlled trials and the remaining five were prospective studies with or without controls. Four of the studies found decreased insulin sensitivity or increased fasting glucose in subjects taking glucosamine. Three of these were clinical studies using oral glucosamine. Studies that included subjects with baseline impaired glucose tolerance or insulin resistance were more likely to detect an effect on glucose metabolism than studies without such subjects.
[h=4]CONCLUSION:[/h]Clinical studies, including three using oral glucosamine, have provided mixed evidence about the effect of exogenous glucosamine on glucose metabolism in humans. Therefore, more studies are needed, particularly including subjects at high risk for impairments in glucose homeostasis, before a definite conclusion can be made.
Copyright © 2011 Osteoarthritis Research Society International. Published by Elsevier Ltd. All rights reserved.
PMID: 21251987 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Good to know. I've never dug into the stuff, just noticed hits on medline.I gave the full-text a brief read-over. There isn't sufficient data on the long-term effects (for those who use it, say, for years), but here are some tidbits:
"The majority of the studies included obese subjects"
"Four out of the 11 studies reported a significant effect on glucose metabolism"
"Of these four ‘positive’ studies, two included subjects with baseline impaired glucose tolerance or insulin resistance (Fig. 2)[SUP] [11] and [13][/SUP]. Neither of the two studies on diabetic subjects detected a statistically significant effect on glucose metabolism[SUP] [12] and [14][/SUP]. Three of the seven studies that included obese subjects found an effect on glucose metabolism"
"As shown in Fig. 2, studies that included subjects with impaired glucose tolerance or insulin resistance were more likely to detect an effect on glucose metabolism than studies without those subjects."
Cliffs:
-More research is needed on long-term effects
-It appears that glucosamine MAY increase insulin resistance if you are already obese/diabetic. Effects in healthy humans seem less convincing.
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