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    M really sick of the old pieces of crap coming in my store and asking for raspberry ketones like its a miracle pill that is better than ephedra. Anybody have any feedback on it? I wanna try it for S+Gs but I don't wanna blow my money on it. The only studies that I know of have we're done on lab rats. Not even humans. Any ideas?

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    I noticed nothing with it at the recommended doses. Supposedly you have to dose higher, 500-1000mg. I read however that it has anti-androgenic properties so I lost all interest in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Younglifter16
    I noticed nothing with it at the recommended doses. Supposedly you have to dose higher, 500-1000mg. I read however that it has anti-androgenic properties so I lost all interest in it.
    HM. What did u dose it at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2 View Post
    M really sick of the old pieces of crap coming in my store and asking for raspberry ketones like its a miracle pill that is better than ephedra. Anybody have any feedback on it? I wanna try it for S+Gs but I don't wanna blow my money on it. The only studies that I know of have we're done on lab rats. Not even humans. Any ideas?
    As a stand alone product? Won't see much from it. As an addition to a fat burning stack containing something like this: DCP/TTA/LX/Reduce XT... i could see the ketones having an impact.

    I've not seen a study on Raspberry Ketones and anti androgenic issues, if anyone has a source i'd be interested.
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    From my post on another board:

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    It is not. The study in question was done in vitro as opposed to the rat studies done on lipolysis, which are certainly of signficantly greater merit.

    Also, here is PA's take on RKs and anti-androgens:

    "your hypothalamus has androgen receptors. it also has estrogen and progesterone receptors, and all of these will bind to circulating sex hormones. When they bind and activate they initiate the negative feedback signal. If you block them and prevent their activation then you will block the negative feedback and your sex hormone production will go up

    i think you just forgot the fact that your HPTA works via receptors"

    ^He is basically saying that T production will go up (which is theoretically beneficial given the HL of RKs). Now I'm not entirely sure if that applies to what we are doing, but consider this:

    Green Tea Extract is estrogenic IN VIVO (rats and cancer patients). This should be of a much larger concern than RKs, yet this is overlooked simply because Green Tea Extract has SO MANY benefits in spite of its low oral bioavailability. The same applies to RKs, though in my opinion, the pros (overall health + potential as a lipolytic agent) outweigh the possible cons to an even further degree. If you are concerned about possible androgen antagonism (which I feel you should not be, based on the single in vitro study), I would simply supplement LCLT to increase androgen receptor density. Either way, the difference is transient and really not worth noting."
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    Ahhhh, great advice. LCLT would be a fantastic addition to RK use. Didn't even think about that.
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    Well I'm taking CLA and super HD right now.
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    The first product I noticed RK's in was Ergopharm AMP2 a few years back. Great product. They got bought out by Ergogenix and now it's called Ergoburn-NT, but they replaced 1,3 DMAA with Tyramine. Weak if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    The first product I noticed RK's in was Ergopharm AMP2 a few years back. Great product. They got bought out by Ergogenix and now it's called Ergoburn-NT, but they replaced 1,3 DMAA with Tyramine. Weak if you ask me.
    If you're looking for a higher RK dose, check out SNS RK-500. 500mg-1g daily seems to work well in conjunction with caffeine and ephedrine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    If you're looking for a higher RK dose, check out SNS RK-500. 500mg-1g daily seems to work well in conjunction with caffeine and ephedrine.
    Thanks. I'm starting Alpha T2 tomorrow, I may add RK to the mix. If I do I'll go with SNS definitely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    Thanks. I'm starting Alpha T2 tomorrow, I may add RK to the mix. If I do I'll go with SNS definitely.
    Looks pretty solid. At your bodyweight, I'd either run it at 3 caps/day or pick up some genomyx alphaburn and add 1 cap daily so you can get the minimum efficacious dose of yohimbine. Remember to dose it 2-3 hours apart from meals containing either protein or carbohydrates in significant amounts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Looks pretty solid. At your bodyweight, I'd either run it at 3 caps/day or pick up some genomyx alphaburn and add 1 cap daily so you can get the minimum efficacious dose of yohimbine. Remember to dose it 2-3 hours apart from meals containing either protein or carbohydrates in significant amounts.
    Great advice
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    I've never use yohimbine. I'm guessing the minimum efficacious dose is what, 75mg?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    I've never use yohimbine. I'm guessing the minimum efficacious dose is what, 75mg?
    Yes, that is the minimum efficacious dose for death.

    You should be using 0.2mg/kg BW in a non-insulinogenic environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2 View Post
    M really sick of the old pieces of crap coming in my store and asking for raspberry ketones like its a miracle pill that is better than ephedra. Anybody have any feedback on it? I wanna try it for S+Gs but I don't wanna blow my money on it. The only studies that I know of have we're done on lab rats. Not even humans. Any ideas?
    its a good addition to any natural fat loss stack. Increased in popularity ever since the Wizard of Oz covered it on his show. Good cheap natural addition to any stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Yes, that is the minimum efficacious dose for death.

    You should be using 0.2mg/kg BW in a non-insulinogenic environment.
    Haha I meant in the form of Rauwolscine.
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    If I weigh 230 should I take 3/ day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2 View Post
    If I weigh 230 should I take 3/ day?
    3 caps yes
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    **** man alright! On empty stomach with my CLA and super hd?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2 View Post
    **** man alright! On empty stomach with my CLA and super hd?
    That works, i would try 2 caps the first day to access tolerance.
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    From what I read if I take 3, or too much I'll feel flushed. Will I feel stimmed up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2 View Post
    From what I read if I take 3, or too much I'll feel flushed. Will I feel stimmed up?
    Raspberry ketones won't stim you up if that's what you're referring to.
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    Okay. What did u mean by assess tolerance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2 View Post
    Okay. What did u mean by assess tolerance?
    For yohimbine
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPjohn123
    For yohimbine
    I have zero problems with yohimbine. Hopefully the same goes for u. Seems pretty clean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc

    I have zero problems with yohimbine. Hopefully the same goes for u. Seems pretty clean.
    Neither did I. I took yohimbine as actually ECY and it was incredible
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    If you're looking for a higher RK dose, check out SNS RK-500. 500mg-1g daily seems to work well in conjunction with caffeine and ephedrine.
    that's what I'm taking now with some TTA as well. works well for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    I have zero problems with yohimbine. Hopefully the same goes for u. Seems pretty clean.
    I haven't either and I take 18 mg for my dose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam
    Ahhhh, great advice. LCLT would be a fantastic addition to RK use. Didn't even think about that.
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    Thermogum is a great and cheap way to supplement Raspberry Ketones in a decent formula for fatloss and energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Thermogum is a great and cheap way to supplement Raspberry Ketones in a decent formula for fatloss and energy.
    Miss this gum
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