Supps to increase intensity and agression in the gym.

[JBlaze]

Can't be an ECA stack, as i can't sleep when on that stuff.

Anything besides it thats good to take to add intensity and agression. Way back in the day i used to take this stuff called ultimate orange ( i have no idea what was in it.) But i really do need something.

[JBlaze]

Dont say tren or halo... =P

[Sticks]

Yeah i definately need something to increase my intensity as well. I take ECA but it only helps me w/focus, and kind of makes me feel sick during my workout. Something that could be used off cycle would be best as this is the time I need the boost the most.

[TheUsual]

Have you tried ALCAR, that gives a nice boost of energy. M5AA of course is nice too.

If you have the money, I've heard Go, Nitrojet, and Neurostim are all nice Pre WO.

[DR.D]

What about yohimbe/caffine? You can sleep with a ECA stack, but you just need to take something to relax after the w/o. I like Lorazepam. It reduces cortisol levels so it's great to use after a w/o and also levels off the ECA's mental stimulation. There are a lot of OTC alternatives also. High dose magnesium, for example, is good for you and a good sedative post w/o too.

[EEmain]

Ultimate Orange was a Ephedra product made by Dan Duchaine/Next Nutrition.

And yes it kicked some serious azz didn`t it!

[EEmain]

Other Ingredients: QUADRACARBâ„¢ [4 Stage Release Carbohydrate From Branching Chain Glucose Polymers From Amylopectins, High Glycemic Index Maltose with Dextrose, Plus Low Glycemic Index Fructse], Specially Filtered and Partially Predigested [Hydrolized] Whey Protein Concentrate [Providing Shorter And Longer Chains Of Bonded Amino Acids], BIOVITEâ„¢ [Bioactive Vitamin-Mineral Blend], Citric Acid, Ultimate Orange Herbal Transport Systemâ„¢â€* [Proprietary Herbal Powder Blend], Natural And Artificial Flavors, Malic Acid, Glycerol Monostearate, Lecithin, Acesulfame-K Glutamine Peptides, Medium Chain Triglycerides, FD and C Yellow #5, FD and C Yellow #6

Notice the "Proprietary Herbal Powder Blend" sounds like ECA to me.

[Rogue Drone]

Ultimate Orange sounds like a Synephrine and/or Octopamine herbal. As far as stimulants, Chocamine's strong, adding Yohimbine to it is very. Non Stimulants you could try ALCAR or M5aa.

[Sticks]

Other Ingredients: QUADRACARB™ [4 Stage Release Carbohydrate From Branching Chain Glucose Polymers From Amylopectins, High Glycemic Index Maltose with Dextrose, Plus Low Glycemic Index Fructse], Specially Filtered and Partially Predigested [Hydrolized] Whey Protein Concentrate [Providing Shorter And Longer Chains Of Bonded Amino Acids], BIOVITE™ [Bioactive Vitamin-Mineral Blend], Citric Acid, Ultimate Orange Herbal Transport System™‪ [Proprietary Herbal Powder Blend], Natural And Artificial Flavors, Malic Acid, Glycerol Monostearate, Lecithin, Acesulfame-K Glutamine Peptides, Medium Chain Triglycerides, FD and C Yellow #5, FD and C Yellow #6

Notice the "Proprietary Herbal Powder Blend" sounds like ECA to me.

Any place we can still get this.

[TheUsual]

Ultimate Orange sounds like a Synephrine and/or Octopamine herbal. As far as stimulants, Chocamine's strong, adding Yohimbine to it is very. Non Stimulants you could try ALCAR or M5aa.

Hmmm good insight. The "Orange" could refer to bitter orange (what synephrine is derived from).

[NPursuit]

ECA of course, M5AA, GO, or ALCAR are good choices.

[JBlaze]

if GO wasn't so damn expensive, who the hell can afford $40 for 20 servings.

I'll try some Alcar. Can't use m5aa, needed it more for offcycle.

[Manu20]

I would say GO...its alot cheaper at Mike's site....I think its under $20.

[stryder]

Ultimate Orange was old school. It contained ephedra (Mahuang), not synephrine. It was called Ultimate Orange because it was orange flavored...good product, but no longer available.

[DR.D]

Ultimate Orange was old school. It contained ephedra (Mahuang), not synephrine. It was called Ultimate Orange because it was orange flavored...good product, but no longer available.

Don't forget Methyltestosterone. A very good pre-workout choice, but omitted from the list of ingredients, so the story goes...

[jminis]

How about Cheque Drops. LOL

[JBlaze]

How about Cheque Drops. LOL

thats actually what was the inspiration to this thread. Who needs a liver anyways right?

[size]

I have tried many things b/c I reacted HORRIBLY to stimulants. I can't use any fatburners or the majority of energy boosters.

You could try taking a B-complex and some additional Niacin before a lifting. This worked for me in the past.

[EEmain]

You can`t get Ultimate Orange anymore because it contained Ephedra. The Orange came from the flavor.

[bioman]

If you can deal with the stims, NO-xplode is pretty dang good for pre-WO..plus it has creatine maleate, CM-AKG/CM and a long list of other stuff. It's got a buttload of caffeine in it though.