- 03-09-2012, 10:19 AM
I've always been taught to take aminos seperately on an empty stomach to make the most of the limited number of receptors. It makes sense that you'd want the aminos that cost so much money and serve very specific purposes to not have to compete with generic dietary protein,, or even with other supplemental aminos ..... the thing is I rarely, if ever, hear this mentioned on here .... is this not common knowledge or do people know of research indicating this isn't as important as I've been led to believe?
- 03-09-2012, 10:44 AM
no such thing as amino receptors.
- 03-09-2012, 10:47 AM
Originally Posted by VaughnTrue
03-09-2012, 10:49 AM
Which is why taking aminos along with protein shakes is a bad idea, from what I understandOriginally Posted by grngoloco
03-09-2012, 10:54 AM
03-09-2012, 11:10 AM
03-09-2012, 11:13 AM
Really??? I remember reading this a long while back,,,, what am I thinking of? I remember reading to take aminos on empty stomach to prevent receptor competition?????
03-09-2012, 11:14 AM
03-09-2012, 11:15 AM
03-09-2012, 11:17 AM
If you want to be technical all receptors and enzymes are polypedptides so they are "protein receptors" and ligand binding occurs between amino acid residues of the ligand and receptor... although I doubt that's what he means lol
03-09-2012, 11:18 AM
Maybe the term receptor isn't correct,,, but surely there are transports that carry the proteins and/or aminos through the cellular walls... forgive my lack of terminology,, but I believe the concept is the same
03-09-2012, 11:20 AM
Try not to attack my lack of actual biochemistry knowledge,,, but aren't you supposed to take aminos on an empty stomach,,, and if so, why is that!?Originally Posted by grngoloco
03-09-2012, 11:29 AM
03-09-2012, 11:51 AM
It is my understanding that bcaa's are the only aminos that need to be taken with food,,, something about needing insulin,,, all other aminos should be taken alone on empty stomachs,,, which goes against the marketing and packaging of most every supp company's "amino complexes"........ if this is true,, I can certainly understand why supp companies and their reps would want to argue this
03-09-2012, 12:23 PM
Bump for some real conversation regarding the need to take aminos on an empty stomach,,,, for the record,, I totally disagree with those of you that said there are not amino acid receptors,,, there are entire studies and books written about them
03-09-2012, 12:33 PM
there's no need to take them on an empty stomach.
there's no need to take them.
03-09-2012, 12:36 PM
Do your research,,, aminos aren't for people that need them,, but for people that want more!!Originally Posted by 3utcher
03-09-2012, 12:52 PM
so you negged me because you still think that taking FF aminos is better than protein ?
03-09-2012, 02:16 PM
First of all,, nowhere in this very short thread did I mention anything about aminos being "better"Originally Posted by 3utcher
Second of all I negged you for attempting to disrupt the purpose of my thread by interjecting an "opinion," not based on facts, about something that had nothing to do with the proposed question!!
03-09-2012, 02:44 PM
Walk the talk - where is your research to back this up with the "entire studies and books written about them?" Right now all you have brought is your opinion as well.
03-09-2012, 02:48 PM
03-09-2012, 02:52 PM
03-09-2012, 02:54 PM
03-09-2012, 02:56 PM
03-09-2012, 02:59 PM
"Amino Acid Receptor Research"
By Benjamin F. Paley
03-09-2012, 03:00 PM
All these articles mention taking on an empty stomach to prevent competition.... I want to know more about this.... not looking to pick some sort of retarded online fight with people ... lmao!!
03-09-2012, 03:03 PM
It appears that this receptor you are talking about is post first pass through the liver and has absolutely nothing to do with how you take them - empty stomach or not - as they don't compete for absoption in your digestion aside from the fact that BCAA are predigested and are absorbed without having to go through the digestion process that protein powders or whole foods do. The receptor issue is a physiological and nuerological issue and not dependent upon the timing or state of your stomach at the time of consumption but rather what happens with them after first pass liver processing.
Based on my cursory review of some of that literature it is JMHO
03-09-2012, 03:07 PM
For argument sake,, why does my glutamine and arginine both say to take on an empty stomachOriginally Posted by David Dunn
03-09-2012, 03:10 PM
03-09-2012, 03:19 PM
I'm talking about wanting to get the most bang for my buck .... lol... like I said,, if I already knew all about receptors, why would I post a log asking about them? Haha!?Originally Posted by bigdavid
03-09-2012, 03:22 PM
03-09-2012, 03:23 PM
Crystaline free form amino acids do not need to be digested,, so where does that play into the pre and post digestion competition for absorption??
03-09-2012, 03:24 PM
I think you may be right about that,,, like I said early in the thread,, I wasn't sure the term "receptor" was the correct termOriginally Posted by bigdavid
03-09-2012, 03:26 PM
With that in mind,,, how important is the necessity to take aminos individually on an empty stomachOriginally Posted by bigdavid
03-09-2012, 03:26 PM
03-09-2012, 03:27 PM
So the thought is take the free form aminos on an empty stomach to avoid competition from the aminos that will come from the whole protein source.
03-09-2012, 03:35 PM
What about ff aminos competing with each other,, even when taken on an empty stomach,, that's my main concern and the crux of what I was originally trying to get toOriginally Posted by bigdavid
03-09-2012, 03:35 PM
Now greater amounts of various forms or proteins, EAA or BCAA consumed may influence the amount available to pass through the liver increasing what is available for receptors after passing through the liver.
03-09-2012, 03:36 PM
If you are taking a limited dose of more than one amino there shouldnt be an issue. It is not like you are taking over 30 grams of ff AAs
03-09-2012, 03:37 PM
Ok,, it is my understanding that bcaa's do not act the same way upon ingestion as, let's say, arginine, ornithine or glutamineOriginally Posted by David Dunn
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