critique my intense cutting phase?

[lukedubas]

yes i know it isnt that intense


endosurge
erase + Alpha-T2 + OxyElite Pro
Shift

ok so i was going to do a month of the at2 oep and erase.
followed by endosurge and shift for a month
then end it with the at2 oep and erase and shift for the last month.

yes i know this is a lot it is my cutting phase! but how does it look?? and any other suggestions for what to take in a specific order??

 

[lukedubas]

anyone?

 

[Rodja]

Why Shift and AT2? IMO, it's overkill (assuming you're using the recommended doses).

 

[lukedubas]

Why Shift and AT2? IMO, it's overkill (assuming you're using the recommended doses).

overkill as in...? please explain the significance of using too much?

 

[Rodja]

Shift and AT2 both contain 3,3-diiodo-l-thyronine, which is a thyroid hormone. Using full doses of each is probably too much.

 

[lukedubas]

ok i will avoid using both, but if i take that with endo surge would that be ok?

 

[Rodja]

ok i will avoid using both, but if i take that with endo surge would that be ok?

Yes, it is ok with Endosurge.

 

[lukedubas]

ok perfect! and in your opinion, what kind of results should i expect to see if i am a high bf %? just asking! and i am doing 4 different exercises of 3-4 sets and 12-15 reps! is that better or worse than heavy weights for 5x5? thank you so much by the way for the help

 

[lukedubas]

anyone?

 

[Ayy]

ok perfect! and in your opinion, what kind of results should i expect to see if i am a high bf %? just asking! and i am doing 4 different exercises of 3-4 sets and 12-15 reps! is that better or worse than heavy weights for 5x5? thank you so much by the way for the help

That's hard to critique because everyone's body is different. Everyone will react different to different products. Also, we do not know what your eating on a daily basis so there's no room for us to say how your results will be. If you care to elaborate on what your macros are as well as any other supplements there would be room for a better answer. As far as rep range, once again everyone's body reacts differently just test
Them both out and see what works best for you. I like to go 6-12 depending on the lift. I'll throw the occasional 3 weeks of powerlifting in there to get my strength up.

 

[Rodja]

ok perfect! and in your opinion, what kind of results should i expect to see if i am a high bf %? just asking! and i am doing 4 different exercises of 3-4 sets and 12-15 reps! is that better or worse than heavy weights for 5x5? thank you so much by the way for the help

My personal stance is that those with higher BF% (>15%) really don't need weight loss agents as they can accomplish a lot with just diet and cardio manipulations. However, if it gives you more motivation to stay on your track, then go for it. As far as weights go, I like to mix up my rep ranges depending on the lifts. On the big lifts (e.g. bench, squats), I'll go pretty heavy, but I go much lighter on the assistance lifts and keep the reps anywhere from 8-20.

 

[lukedubas]

i do not plan on doing it just yet. i have lost 50 pounds so far on the diet i am on, combined with lifting and cardio for the past months! i want to wait for the next 15 or so pounds to come off before i go into my stack! but i will try out both lifting methods. hopefully one really gets me

 

[lukedubas]

anyone?

 

[mr.cooper69]

Heavy weight on compound lifts. More reps on assistance work with lighter weight.

Add EC Stack and drop OEP

 

[PrepNwa23]

My personal stance is that those with higher BF% (>15%) really don't need weight loss agents as they can accomplish a lot with just diet and cardio manipulations. However, if it gives you more motivation to stay on your track, then go for it. As far as weights go, I like to mix up my rep ranges depending on the lifts. On the big lifts (e.g. bench, squats), I'll go pretty heavy, but I go much lighter on the assistance lifts and keep the reps anywhere from 8-20.

I like that point many people slam people for taking supplements when they have higher BF% but if it keeps them motivated and keeps them working then i say go for it.

 

[lukedubas]

thank you both!

 

[th3futur3]

Heavy weight on compound lifts. More reps on assistance work with lighter weight.

Add EC Stack and drop OEP

This and maybe alternate between the AT2 and Shift so your body does not become stagnant on one product.

 

[lukedubas]

alternate how often?

 

[lukedubas]

up?

 

[Kekkuk]

You can take the alpha t2 in the day and the shift before bed. That's the only reason I could see taking them both.

 

[mr.cooper69]

This and maybe alternate between the AT2 and Shift so your body does not become stagnant on one product.

They both contain 3,3 diiodothyronine so the body will adjust accordingly (and in a very unfavorable fashion).

 

[PrepNwa23]

You don't cycle between two products like shift and at2 your thyroid needs a break run a bottle of either then take sometime off. They both contain 3,3 honestly and if you haven't any of those solo I can't stress enough to people it's not always better to stack a bunch of things. Sometimes it's better to try one and see how your body responds to it.

 

[lukedubas]

They both contain 3,3 diiodothyronine so the body will adjust accordingly (and in a very unfavorable fashion).

why unfavorable??

 

[lukedubas]

You don't cycle between two products like shift and at2 your thyroid needs a break run a bottle of either then take sometime off. They both contain 3,3 honestly and if you haven't any of those solo I can't stress enough to people it's not always better to stack a bunch of things. Sometimes it's better to try one and see how your body responds to it.

yessir ill leave the shift out

 

[mr.cooper69]

why unfavorable??

Your thyroid will likely be suppressed.

 

[lukedubas]

i dont want that.. i will not use shift. thanks for the input!

 

[lukedubas]

anyone else have any input?

 

[lukedubas]

anyone?

 

[JudoJosh]

Your thyroid will likely be suppressed.

From what I have seen, 3,5 has only been shown to be suppressive in rats not in humans (as far as I know) which we assume this means 3,5 can act as a thyroid mimetic however, the same can not be said about 3,3 (which is what is in shift and alpha t2).

So what makes you think 3,3 can be suppressive in humans?

 

[mr.cooper69]

From what I have seen, 3,5 has only been shown to be suppressive in rats not in humans (as far as I know) which we assume this means 3,5 can act as a thyroid mimetic however, the same can not be said about 3,3 (which is what is in shift and alpha t2).

So what makes you think 3,3 can be suppressive in humans?

If 3,3 does indeed work as purported, then by nature it must be suppressive to some degree.

http://endo.endojournals.org/content/64/1/62.short

^Get the full text if you can. Decreasing T4 levels in vivo is what I would call suppressive lol.

 

[lukedubas]

If 3,3 does indeed work as purported, then by nature it must be suppressive to some degree.

lol i would call that suppressive as well!

 

[lukedubas]

please ignore these.. need to get to 50 lol

 

[lukedubas]

yup

 

[lukedubas]

ya...

 

[lukedubas]

keep a lookout for my log coming soon

 

[lukedubas]

sorry for this spam..

 

[lukedubas]

lol i dont wanna wait till 50 posts

 

[lukedubas]

damn i feel bad

 

[lukedubas]

so...

 

[lukedubas]

almost finished...

 

[lukedubas]

i think im posting my cut in here.. look out for it

 

[lukedubas]

once again sorry for spamming my thread..

 

[lukedubas]

4 left

 

[lukedubas]

and now 3

 

[lukedubas]

dos mas

 

[lukedubas]

uno more

 

[lukedubas]

and now thanks for putting up my my bs.. hope you all can check out my stack/cut