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    Hi guys....

    My adrenals are pretty shot and on the road to recovery. I was wondering what are some of the best non-stim fat burners that can help me lose fat whilst not assulating my adrenals.

    Any ideas? Anybody tried any in a similiar

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    Erase and shift
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    TTA+raspberry ketones
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    Alpha T2 is caffeine and 1,3-DMAA free, so its essentially lower on the stimulant side. I dont feel it would be a harm to your adrenals at all.
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    TTA-500 + RK-500 is a good one as mentioned above.
    Lean Xtreme and Reduce XT are great for cortisol control.
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    Reduce Xt with DCP is my favorite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    DCP + lean extreme
    that would be my personal choice
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    TTA-500 + RK-500 is a good one as mentioned above.
    Lean Xtreme and Reduce XT are great for cortisol control.
    Is anybody aware of any other studies on RK than the one involving rats or can anyone attest to RK's effacacy for preventing fat gain. I've it previously but never tell it did anything.

    thanks chaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saggy321 View Post
    Is anybody aware of any other studies on RK than the one involving rats or can anyone attest to RK's effacacy for preventing fat gain. I've it previously but never tell it did anything.

    thanks chaps.
    I enjoyed it personally when combined with a high fat meal or dosed with EC. Regardless, the overall health benefits are great (this is actually the main reason they're flying off the shelves).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I enjoyed it personally when combined with a high fat meal or dosed with EC. Regardless, the overall health benefits are great (this is actually the main reason they're flying off the shelves).

    I thought Dr. Oz was the reason?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    I thought Dr. Oz was the reason?
    yep....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    I thought Dr. Oz was the reason?
    And what did Dr. Oz say about RKs? You see what I'm getting at...it's about overall bodily function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    And what did Dr. Oz say about RKs? You see what I'm getting at...it's about overall bodily function.
    I couldnt tell you what Dr. Oz said.
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    Gotta say, Alpha-t2 did wonders for me. That along with Erase. I tried some of the stim burners and all they did was make me feel like crap. Definitely give alpha a try, you'll sweat like a madman too. But what's this RK people are talking about? Its supposed to prevent fat gain correct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by saggy321 View Post
    Hi guys....

    My adrenals are pretty shot and on the road to recovery. I was wondering what are some of the best non-stim fat burners that can help me lose fat whilst not assulating my adrenals.

    Any ideas? Anybody tried any in a similiar
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    Alpha T2 or tt-33 are good options. raspberry ketones are economical if you buy bulk powder. Using Reduction PM shot right now, and seems to have helped kickstart my fat loss again
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    Quote Originally Posted by allnatural923 View Post
    Alpha T2 or tt-33 are good options. raspberry ketones are economical if you buy bulk powder. Using Reduction PM shot right now, and seems to have helped kickstart my fat loss again

    Alpha T2/Tt-33/Reduction pm stack? lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by th3futur3

    Alpha T2/Tt-33/Reduction pm stack? lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    TTA-500 + RK-500 is a good one as mentioned above.
    Lean Xtreme and Reduce XT are great for cortisol control.
    This is solid and have heard and experienced nothing but good things with TTA-500/RK-500.
    I like Athletic Xtreme Lean FX and SNS Reduce XT for cortisol control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    TTA-500 + RK-500 is a good one as mentioned above.
    Lean Xtreme and Reduce XT are great for cortisol control.
    I like these ^^
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    For others who have issues with getting in DHEA derivatives like LX and Reduce Xt, what can be used?

    I have read post workout, vitamin C at1-2g with your BCAAs...

    Anything else to combat umbilical fat?(sleep and Cort related?
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    For others who have issues with getting in DHEA derivatives like LX and Reduce Xt, what can be used?

    I have read post workout, vitamin C at1-2g with your BCAAs...

    Anything else to combat umbilical fat?(sleep and Cort related?
    Absolutely NOT. Vitamin C postworkout is the absolute worst time of day vitamin C can be consumed. Furthermore, 1-2g is one of the worst doses that can be consumed (never exceed 500mg, the plasma saturation dose). In short, dose vitamin C NOWHERE near workouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vitaminstore3 View Post
    Lecheek has one coming out soon called HyperT2 that is going to be very good and no stims.
    Yep, I'm going to be running it on my cut cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Absolutely NOT. Vitamin C postworkout is the absolute worst time of day vitamin C can be consumed. Furthermore, 1-2g is one of the worst doses that can be consumed (never exceed 500mg, the plasma saturation dose). In short, dose vitamin C NOWHERE near workouts.
    Fuk. There goes my sh1t today lol.
    What will negate caffiene AFTER training to help with relaxation and help blunt Cort release?
    This umbilical cortisol issues sh1ts me To tears. Thanks coopz
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Fuk. There goes my sh1t today lol.
    What will negate caffiene AFTER training to help with relaxation and help blunt Cort release?
    This umbilical cortisol issues sh1ts me To tears. Thanks coopz
    I think you're refering to visceral fat LOL.

    Caffeine's effects on cortisol are transient and not really worth worrying about. I guess Ashwaghanda may help in this respect, but either way it's not a big deal.

    Any reason you avoid DHEA metabolites?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    I think you're refering to visceral fat LOL.

    Caffeine's effects on cortisol are transient and not really worth worrying about. I guess Ashwaghanda may help in this respect, but either way it's not a big deal.

    Any reason you avoid DHEA metabolites?
    Customs...lol...my only problem. If I CAN get straight DHEA what would you do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Customs...lol...my only problem. If I CAN get straight DHEA what would you do?
    I personally wouldn't run straight DHEA for your goals. Rather than focusing on VAT so much, why not just focus on systemic fat loss (which will eventually remove visceral fat as well)?
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    Well, it's not happening as much as I like. I like HIT and running (running soothes me).

    Fat loss now after gaining some Muscle is what I am TRYING.
    Lean Gains. (feel less bloated)
    MACROS???carbs are NOT essentials nutrients as we know.

    I can't do keto on the intensity I train at...
    Or maybe you suggest something? PM me
    Please bro [ urs are full ]

    Feeding window is 1pm-9pm but usually finish at 7:30-8pm.
    Just screwed for food rooming and intake.
    Caveman style eating. No protein powder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Well, it's not happening as much as I like. I like HIT and running (running soothes me).

    Fat loss now after gaining some Muscle is what I am TRYING.
    Lean Gains. (feel less bloated)
    MACROS???carbs are NOT essentials nutrients as we know.

    I can't do keto on the intensity I train at...
    Or maybe you suggest something? PM me
    Please bro [ urs are full ]

    Feeding window is 1pm-9pm but usually finish at 7:30-8pm.
    Just screwed for food rooming and intake.
    Caveman style eating. No protein powder.

    Thoughts?
    Calculate caloric maintenance.
    Create a 10-25% deficit.
    1-1.5g protein/lb BW
    0.45g fat/lb BW (minimum)
    Use the rest of the calories as you please (I prefer carbs)

    Far too much emphasis is placed on meal timing and fear of carbs (not saying you, just in general). Aim for 0.75-2 lbs of weight loss per week and incorporate weekly refeeds at maintenance calories, trace fat, 1g protein/lb LBM, and the rest carbs.

    Protein powder vs nonprotein powder won't matter. I prefer whole foods too, but protein powder works just fine and is as micronutrient rich as most whole food proteins.
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    Thanks bro.
    Lactose issues?mitiagted by using Hydrolzed?
    Isn't cross flow micro filtration best?
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Thanks bro.
    Lactose issues?mitiagted by using Hydrolzed?
    Isn't cross flow micro filtration best?
    For protein powder, stick with the cross-flow, yes (aka avoid ion exchange). Isolate for lactose issues. Not a big fan of hydrolyzed unless it's peptopro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    For protein powder, stick with the cross-flow, yes (aka avoid ion exchange). Isolate for lactose issues. Not a big fan of hydrolyzed unless it's peptopro.
    Isn't whey Insulinogenic? As in liquid meals?
    Always thought that I fat loss was the desired effect,we Minimise Insulin effects???
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3utcher
    cooper's advices are gold. Follow them
    He is an amazing and knowledgable guy...thumbs up man...

    Thanks Coopz!!!!

    Fat sourceslive oil,meats (organic / grass fed), eggs, avacado,coconut?
    Should I eliminate nuts due to o6 levels?
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    He is an amazing and knowledgable guy...thumbs up man...

    Thanks Coopz!!!!

    Fat sourceslive oil,meats (organic / grass fed), eggs, avacado,coconut?
    Should I eliminate nuts due to o6 levels?
    If you take enough fish oil daily, that won't be a big problem.
    There are tons of good things in nuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Isn't whey Insulinogenic? As in liquid meals?
    Always thought that I fat loss was the desired effect,we Minimise Insulin effects???
    There is nothing inherently wrong with insulin; fat loss is far more complex than that. All whey protein is insulinogenic, hydrolyzed or not. And that will not affect your fat loss anymore than XX cals of fat.

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    Thanks buddy .

    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    He is an amazing and knowledgable guy...thumbs up man...

    Thanks Coopz!!!!

    Fat sourceslive oil,meats (organic / grass fed), eggs, avacado,coconut?
    Should I eliminate nuts due to o6 levels?
    No problem man. Definitely keep the nuts. It's all about 3:6:9 balance. Obviously your diet is lacking in EPA/DHA so pick up a concentrated fish oil supplement (Orange Oximega).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    There is nothing inherently wrong with insulin; fat loss is far more complex than that. All whey protein is insulinogenic, hydrolyzed or not. And that will not affect your fat loss anymore than XX cals of fat.

    Thanks buddy .

    No problem man. Definitely keep the nuts. It's all about 3:6:9 balance. Obviously your diet is lacking in EPA/DHA so pick up a concentrated fish oil supplement (Orange Oximega).
    Gotcha. I take in 18-20g fish oils per day (aiming at 2-3G EPA/DHA) per day
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    If I am going for non stim fat loss, Erase is what I go for and run it at 3-4 per day. Test increase and cortisol lowering, win win if you don't run into joint issues. 20 grams of fish oil will take care of that though.
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