Taking pre workouts too long over rated?
- 02-21-2012, 09:34 PM
Taking pre workouts too long over rated?
I know we all try to take breaks from pre workouts and stims...etc but today, i had a random thought and thought i would share. everyday, millions of americans consume a few cups of coffee each day. i know our pre workouts have other ingredients in them other than caffeine, but is it really that worse? im not saying "do not take a stim break". im just saying, maybe the 1 tub on 1 tub off is a bit much. i havent seen any studies or anything on this, so im open to discussion/debate. always trying to learn! thoughts?
- 02-21-2012, 09:47 PM
- 02-21-2012, 10:41 PM
02-21-2012, 11:42 PM
I think both sides of the argument are correct to a certain point.
My issue is.... I am a terrible person to be around without my caffeine.
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02-22-2012, 12:05 AM
Do you want to be like millions of Americans with unstable energy levels throughout the day and dependency on coffee to get through their day?
02-22-2012, 01:49 AM
02-22-2012, 03:35 AM
02-22-2012, 06:55 AM
That said, this who rule about month on month off on preworkouts is more of a "bro rule" and not an actual rule. Sort of like time off equals time on + pct. both are just rules the bros make up BUT caffeine tolerance is real it just as simple as month on month off. So yes you can take a pre workout for longer periods of time if the rest of your day caffeine intake is minimal. I would imagine that someone who doesnt drink coffee or soda or those energy drinks and their only caffeine intake in their pre workout can stay using it for quit some time before building a tolerance. Most people only workout 3-4 times a week so maybe not taking your preworkout one of those days will help from developing a tolerance to caffeine. Or another thing to try is to alternate stimulants. Caffeine for 2 weeks and then switch to a different stimulant for 2 weeks and back to caffeine for 2 weeks and so forth.
Also taurine might be beneficial to take post workout to help reduce the effects of caffeine. This way you limit your exposure to caffeines stimulating effects. Possibly taurine and theanine post workout? Or using it with a precursor like tyrosine?
Overall I wouldnt stress it too much. Your tolerance threshold is goingto be different than someone elses so no a general broad rule doesnt have to apply to you. It isnt hard to feel when you are becoming more dependent on caffeine and when a tolerance is developing and when that happens just cut back or take some time off.
02-22-2012, 09:08 AM
Lots of people are living on coffee, red bull, 5 hour energy, etc. to get themselves back up to baseline performance due to big time dependency. Since we're always trying to get ABOVE baseline performance, we don't want our dependence to reach that level.
02-22-2012, 10:04 AM
I think a break from stims would be really beneficial, but due to the fact that I function very poorly without them (lethargy/no motivation), they will remain a part of my supplement regime. I think the key is to finding what agrees with your body chemistry, and sticking with it- if you don't feel good, or have to keep constantly upping the dosage, you may need to do some adjusting....
All this aside, diet (blood sugar levels), rest, and fitness play a huge role in this as well- these factors "wag the dog" when it comes to stimulants, not the other way around, at least for me. Take this week for example- I have had wall-to-wall meetings and conference calls since Monday- my day starts at 5 am, in the gym by 6:30 or 7, at the facility by 8:30-9, and out of here by 6 or 6:30, and in bed by 9. I do the 6 small meals throughout the day, and I eat clean, which really helps. But this month has been multiple business meetings and conference calls during and after hours, plus lunch meetings, so my diet hasn't been so hot. Plus, some of the business dinners have lasted until 11, which definitely makes it harder to get up at 5. This is where the increased stims come in, unfortunately. It isn't always like this, and long term this probably isn't a good thing- but things have the tendency to calm down, to where I can get back into my normal routine...
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02-22-2012, 10:05 AM
02-22-2012, 10:08 AM
Josh, it really comes down to the fact that if you are training 4 days a week, that means you aren't using any preworkout for the other 3 days. This works out roughly to time on = time off, so people don't run into issues. The issue is when peoples' desire for MORE gets the best of them and they pile on scoop after scoop.
Interesting point on the coffee, never really looked into it.
Lastly, feeling caffeine's effects postworkout is not a bad thing. It has been demonstrated to reduce the effects of soreness through two mechanisms...the long-feared "crashes" are usually due to the addition of some other stimulant.
02-22-2012, 10:10 AM
02-22-2012, 10:23 AM
02-22-2012, 10:36 AM
I would like to move onto drinking more teas but it is a acquired taste which I dont have yet or maybe its just i havent tried the right brew of tea yet.
As for americans, coffee played a role in the amercian revolution and drinking tea was looked down upon almost as if it was un-American (boston tea party) but even then coffee wasnt as popular as it is today. If I were to place blame on high caffeine consumption in the states I would say soda had a bigger impact then coffee does, especially considering most kids grow up drinking coffee so by the time they are an adult coffee becomes their caffeine "fix"
02-22-2012, 10:43 AM
Agreed on the soda, and the caffeine in such products serves no role besides making you "feel good" and buy more. Scary that an 8 year old drinking at 20 fl oz bottle of mountain dew is getting half a preworkout product's worth of caffeine.
I lived in Germany for over a year, but my travels to England and Switzerland seemed to echo the same tendencies: various forms of tea (mostly black) and espressos following each meal.
02-22-2012, 10:43 AM
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02-22-2012, 12:18 PM
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02-22-2012, 05:25 PM
02-23-2012, 08:28 AM
02-23-2012, 09:25 AM
02-23-2012, 09:58 AM
I haven't noticed a substantial addiction to pre workout drinks. Even when I have plenty of energy I still take them because they offer other things to help promote muscle building and I do notice that extra pump that it gives me when I am working out. I do feel that you should take a break every so often to keep your body from becoming relied on them and letting your body create natural adrenaline
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