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    Ok so I have a buddy that just turned 19 and he's always buggin me on this and that (seems like everyone has that one friend). For the most part though he just wants to put on mass. Just thinking the past few days I'm not sure what would work best. I was thinking maybe a nice 8 week cycle of...

    Anabeta 4/day for 8 weeks
    PRIME 4/day for 4 weeks
    Erase 1 EOD for 8 weeks

    Or maybe titanium+DI ?

    What do you guys think?

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    at his age - even simpler is he eating enough? what is his training like?
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    oh and no this isn't an "I have this one friend" thread lol
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    At that age big no no tell him there is a app for cal counting it very good down load it. And it will help out alot easy to use. But bottom line hes just not eating enough mate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolanrox View Post
    at his age - even simpler is he eating enough? what is his training like?
    That's what I told him. And is eating is actually pretty good. As far as training he does the same split as me. Right now were doing the usual Chest/tri back/bi shoulder/trap legs Also incorporating some fst-7
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    eatting good is one thing, but is he eating enough to be at a caloric surplus? you can eat chicken brocoli, and brown rice for every meal, but if you need you eat 3000 calories to gain mass and you are only hitting 2k or 2.5 you will be spinning your wheels.
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    Looks good but. I bet he dont eat as much as u think Im eating 3900 cals at the mo and in healthy food is a hell of a lot. Just stat and a bit more every time u eat to stretch the stomach. Wht before u know it you will be hungry all the time. Its hard work but stick at it. Or loads of mc Donalds lol.
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    I would jump in here and just say eat eat eat but I know at 19 I wouldn't listen and would buy supps anyway.

    So I would tell him

    Creatine mono or I like ancient strength from **** on workout days and bulk mono on off days

    Beta alanine I'm taking sns caps right now and having great results

    Aminos I use gear from **** the addition of super plasma protein makes a big difference

    And a solid preworkout. I really enjoy maxamize v2 but will be logging the new maxamize intense so I will let you know how that is.

    On top of all this tell you friend calories are going to make a big difference and if he is a hard gainer the. Pick up some bulk carbs to add to all his protein shakes.
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    to maintain he needs 2800 and he eat (from what he tells me anyway) 3500
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    Quote Originally Posted by stopstalking View Post
    I would jump in here and just say eat eat eat but I know at 19 I wouldn't listen and would buy supps anyway.

    So I would tell him

    Creatine mono or I like ancient strength from **** on workout days and bulk mono on off days

    Beta alanine I'm taking sns caps right now and having great results

    Aminos I use gear from **** the addition of super plasma protein makes a big difference

    And a solid preworkout. I really enjoy maxamize v2 but will be logging the new maxamize intense so I will let you know how that is.

    On top of all this tell you friend calories are going to make a big difference and if he is a hard gainer the. Pick up some bulk carbs to add to all his protein shakes.
    I too will be logging Maximize Intense so info needed

    As far as your response though I had him order some German creatine and Recoverpro
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    Quote Originally Posted by ISU152

    I too will be logging Maximize Intense so info needed

    As far as your response though I had him order some German creatine and Recoverpro
    Oh yea, that's right you are logging it.. Sweet ! I'm stoked on this
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    Quote Originally Posted by stopstalking View Post
    Oh yea, that's right you are logging it.. Sweet ! I'm stoked on this
    Yeah I've been checking my door step every 15 min to see if UPS came haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by ginge205
    At that age big no no tell him there is a app for cal counting it very good down load it. And it will help out alot easy to use. But bottom line hes just not eating enough mate
    Yo ginge what's the cal app called and what market place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ISU152

    Yeah I've been checking my door step every 15 min to see if UPS came haha
    Hahah I was doing that. Vaughn said mine went out yesterday so I'm pretty sure I'll get it tomorrow since I'm in so cal and so is iforce
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    Quote Originally Posted by stopstalking View Post
    Hahah I was doing that. Vaughn said mine went out yesterday so I'm pretty sure I'll get it tomorrow since I'm in so cal and so is iforce
    lucky bastard
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike2440

    Yo ginge what's the cal app called and what market place?
    Myfitnesspal on android mate extremely handy to have
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    Quote Originally Posted by ISU152 View Post
    Ok so I have a buddy that just turned 19 and he's always buggin me on this and that (seems like everyone has that one friend). For the most part though he just wants to put on mass. Just thinking the past few days I'm not sure what would work best. I was thinking maybe a nice 8 week cycle of...

    Anabeta 4/day for 8 weeks
    PRIME 4/day for 4 weeks
    Erase 1 EOD for 8 weeks

    Or maybe titanium+DI ?

    What do you guys think?

    I think he should just try harder. Maybe suggest he pick up a book on training and nutrition. If he is 19 and can't gain mass, something is wrong. Your friend clearly doesn't need supplements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I think he should just try harder. Maybe suggest he pick up a book on training and nutrition. If he is 19 and can't gain mass, something is wrong. Your friend clearly doesn't need supplements.
    I'll back this horse. What stuck out most from what was said so far was that he was doing the same split. Uh, no. I'm a VERY firm believer that what works for one may not work for another. He can do the same split all he wants, but if he isn't doing what his body NEEDS in order to grow, then he's ... well... right where he is right now!

    Instead of jumping into a bottle and throwin the Camaro fund out the window in lieu of some get-me-bigga pills, here's my suggestions:

    1. Eat ... smarter. If he's eating quality food and in a caloric excess, then think about timing. WHEN is he eating those meals? Is he eating on a schedule? Is he eating for energy pre-w/o? Is he eating to RECOVER??? You have to fuel the fire, but to me, the most important fueling is done AFTER the gym, when the muscles are in dire need of repair.

    2. Modify the workout plan, over and over again. So what if he's not doing the same as you? That might be a good thing, for both of you! Push hard, up the weights, break from what you've been doing. If he hasn't had a routine change in 4-6 weeks, NOW IS THE TIME!! Shock those muscles into new growth. Keep them guessing. And do it over and over and over again! If the program that worked for you 3 months ago is what you're using right now, I can guarantee it's not working anymore. You have GOT to keep it fresh. You want your body to change? Change what you do to it. Plain and simple.

    3. Sleep. Rest. Take a nap. Whatever. Too many people ignore the rest aspect of training. This is when you grow. It's not just about sitting down to watch the tv and your biceps get heyoogeness after the gym, it's about sleeping and total rest. Ask any "stage walker" about their serious training time and I bet a lot of them will tell you that they take a nap during the day, if not two naps!

    4. Nobody mentioned cardio here, so I will. When is he doing cardio? Is he doing any? What are the number of reps that you are doing? If you're looking to gain in size, doing a ton of cardio at bad times is counterintuitive. Do fasted cardio first thing in the morning, or do about 20 minutes after a good heavy lift. Otherwise, catabolism, baby! You'll be wasting away your gains by running/jogging/whatever-ing them off. Limit cardio, and if ya don't necessarily need it, I say skip it! Also, watch the time in the gym. Overtraining is also a huge killer for maximum gains. Limit your time in there. Get in, get work done, get out. Don't work everything for 5 sets in a single day. Go in and do back one day, 5-6 exercises, 3-4 HEAVY sets each, and GTFO!!! Go home, eat, sleep.

    Hope that helped.
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    Is this really your "friend"?. Just suspicious because I see a lot of threads about how a guys needs advice for his "friend"....
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    creatine and beta-alanine should be a staple after that maybe try the test factor and X-factor advanced cycle i just read a recent study proving ara safety so that shouldn't be a concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post
    I'll back this horse. What stuck out most from what was said so far was that he was doing the same split. Uh, no. I'm a VERY firm believer that what works for one may not work for another. He can do the same split all he wants, but if he isn't doing what his body NEEDS in order to grow, then he's ... well... right where he is right now!

    Instead of jumping into a bottle and throwin the Camaro fund out the window in lieu of some get-me-bigga pills, here's my suggestions:

    1. Eat ... smarter. If he's eating quality food and in a caloric excess, then think about timing. WHEN is he eating those meals? Is he eating on a schedule? Is he eating for energy pre-w/o? Is he eating to RECOVER??? You have to fuel the fire, but to me, the most important fueling is done AFTER the gym, when the muscles are in dire need of repair.

    2. Modify the workout plan, over and over again. So what if he's not doing the same as you? That might be a good thing, for both of you! Push hard, up the weights, break from what you've been doing. If he hasn't had a routine change in 4-6 weeks, NOW IS THE TIME!! Shock those muscles into new growth. Keep them guessing. And do it over and over and over again! If the program that worked for you 3 months ago is what you're using right now, I can guarantee it's not working anymore. You have GOT to keep it fresh. You want your body to change? Change what you do to it. Plain and simple.

    3. Sleep. Rest. Take a nap. Whatever. Too many people ignore the rest aspect of training. This is when you grow. It's not just about sitting down to watch the tv and your biceps get heyoogeness after the gym, it's about sleeping and total rest. Ask any "stage walker" about their serious training time and I bet a lot of them will tell you that they take a nap during the day, if not two naps!

    4. Nobody mentioned cardio here, so I will. When is he doing cardio? Is he doing any? What are the number of reps that you are doing? If you're looking to gain in size, doing a ton of cardio at bad times is counterintuitive. Do fasted cardio first thing in the morning, or do about 20 minutes after a good heavy lift. Otherwise, catabolism, baby! You'll be wasting away your gains by running/jogging/whatever-ing them off. Limit cardio, and if ya don't necessarily need it, I say skip it! Also, watch the time in the gym. Overtraining is also a huge killer for maximum gains. Limit your time in there. Get in, get work done, get out. Don't work everything for 5 sets in a single day. Go in and do back one day, 5-6 exercises, 3-4 HEAVY sets each, and GTFO!!! Go home, eat, sleep.

    Hope that helped.
    I also agree with doing what your body NEEDS..he's just kinda new and I thought I could get him started

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Is this really your "friend"?. Just suspicious because I see a lot of threads about how a guys needs advice for his "friend"....
    lol yes it's my friend...I already covered that after I realized how sketchy this thread prolly sounded haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by ginge205

    Myfitnesspal on android mate extremely handy to have
    Thanks man
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    Anabeta with prime and creatine. But don't run prime at 4 caps a day. Pointless. 69 protocol
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    A good nutrient partitioner like r Ala with a ton of oatmeal will do wonders.
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