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Hi all!! New to the site. Looks to be awesome so far....very informative. Im 6'0" tall. About 173lbs. Im very lean and have a hell of a time gaining any true size and mass. Any suggestions?? I was told to take Finnaflex and Super Mass or a pro complex. And to do that for 8 weeks. Im sick of busting my ass with not seeing the results I want. Also I was told my calorie intake needs to be between 6 and 8 thousand a day.....Any truth to that?? Please help!! Thanks!! Chris
 
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If you have a hard time gaining mass, that typically means you don't have the basics down. Diet and nutrition are the key here, not supplementation. If you knew how much you needed to eat everyday, you would be gaining weight consistantly.
 
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post your age and activity level and i will get you in the ball park with your calories
 

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post your age and activity level and i will get you in the ball park with your calories
I'm 32 years old. I work out 3-4 times a week. I play hockey twice a week. I've been trying to eat 2 to 4 thousand calories per day.
 

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If you have a hard time gaining mass, that typically means you don't have the basics down. Diet and nutrition are the key here, not supplementation. If you knew how much you needed to eat everyday, you would be gaining weight consistantly.
Well that's what I'm asking......I work out 3-4 days a week and play hockey twice a week. I try to eat between 2 and 4 thousand calories a day.
 
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Well that's what I'm asking......I work out 3-4 days a week and play hockey twice a week. I try to eat between 2 and 4 thousand calories a day.
Well there's your problem. You need to find your caloric maintenance, and eat 500-1000 calories over maintenance. Trying to manipulate weight without tracking calories is like throwing spaghetti against the wall and hoping something sticks.
 

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okay well first things first its good your looking for help! btw 6-8thousand calories is absurd!!
at your age, weight and activity level I would say you want to get around 3500cal. DIET/NUTRITION before supplementation
now its not just how much you eat but what you eat! its easy to eat 10 burgers at mcdonalds but you need to get good complex carbs and a lott of them(rice,oatmeal,fruits etc.), healthy fats(olive oil,nuts,natural peanut butter,avocados), also protein(chicken, steak,eggs,milk) milk is a easy way to add calories to meals.. pick up a whey protein for post-workout and have lott of carbs after i like to have a shake w/ few servings of fruit and oatmeal, have a shake upon waking!!! low on calories eat fats.. 1gram protein=4 cal. 1gram carb=4 cal. 1gram fat=9 cal.

please rep if you like info!! any other questions just ask.. anything about other supps or if you wanna go towards a ph
 

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okay well first things first its good your looking for help! btw 6-8thousand calories is absurd!!
at your age, weight and activity level I would say you want to get around 3500cal. DIET/NUTRITION before supplementation
now its not just how much you eat but what you eat! its easy to eat 10 burgers at mcdonalds but you need to get good complex carbs and a lott of them(rice,oatmeal,fruits etc.), healthy fats(olive oil,nuts,natural peanut butter,avocados), also protein(chicken, steak,eggs,milk) milk is a easy way to add calories to meals.. pick up a whey protein for post-workout and have lott of carbs after i like to have a shake w/ few servings of fruit and oatmeal, have a shake upon waking!!! low on calories eat fats.. 1gram protein=4 cal. 1gram carb=4 cal. 1gram fat=9 cal.

please rep if you like info!! any other questions just ask.. anything about other supps or if you wanna go towards a ph
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Gaining mass is increasing calories.
I won't like though I like the best of both worlds, shed fat and gain mass, but I can't do it haha...
If figure I incorporate some cardio
I'd be much better off....


Eat a lot man, the hockey and weights is probably eating up your Cals.
 
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Here is some great info that I think may help you on making better mass gains.


The Top 10 “Don’ts” for Mass Gaining
To pack on pounds of rock-hard muscle fast, here’s what not to do


1. Performing too many isolation exercises
An exercise is only as good as the time it takes you to adapt to it. Provided you use enough load for enough time, all exercises can build muscle. It’s just that some exercises do it better than others.

It has to do with what the German strength physiologists call the scale of motor unit recruitment. For example, cam exercises for a given number of reps recruit less motor units than pulley exercises, and pulley exercises recruit less motor units than dumbbell exercises. The more you stick to what we were designed for as animals (lifting rocks, carrying carcasses and generally just fighting against gravity), the better off you are. What that means is using free weights in preference to machines. A large, muscular physique is built from squats, dips, chins and deadlifts – not triceps kickbacks and cable crossovers.

2. Performing too many machine exercises
Remember this motto: “Seven days training on machines makes one week (weak)!” Again, because of the scale of motor unit recruitment, if you are the type who lines up at the gym for the lat pulldown machine, you are not going to grow as fast as the guy slaving away at the chin-up bar.


To see the maximum amount of muscle that can be packed on a frame, check out a Mr. Olympia competition. Photo by Milos Sarcev
3. Believing the bulking-up nonsense
In the so-called Golden Age of Bodybuilding where bodybuilders were known by their first names (e.g., Arnold, Louie and Sergio), bulking up in the off-season and then cutting up was standard practice. Besides the obvious health problems associated with adding excess fat, bulking up is a really bad approach to trying to achieve your physique or athletic fitness goals. Here are six reasons why:

ANTI-BULKING FACT #1. Bulking-up diet programs won’t produce any more muscle growth than ingesting an ideal amount of nutrients. Sorry, but it’s simply not possible to force additional muscle growth by overfeeding.

ANTI-BULKING FACT #2. Bulking up develops insulin resistance, which makes it harder in the long run to gain muscle. What happens when you bulk up is that carbohydrates will go preferentially to fat stores, not to muscle tissue.

ANTI-BULKING FACT #3. Bulking up will make it harder for you to get leaner because insulin resistance is hard to reverse. The fatter you get, the harder it becomes to get lean. Female bodybuilders learn this fact quickly, as it is considerably harder for women to reach the low body-fat levels required for competition.

ANTI-BULKING FACT #4. The fatter you get, the more aromatase enzyme your body will produce. In the extreme, getting fat could be considered a form of self-castration, as your own testosterone will be converted into the female hormone estrogen and you will suffer many unwanted side effects. If you’re a man and you enjoy wearing a bra, go right ahead and get fatter.

ANTI-BULKING FACT #5. Getting fatter will ramp down the effectiveness of your thyroid hormone production – not a good thing, because thyroid production is essential for fat loss. The fatter your abdominal wall becomes, the less conversion there will be of T4 to T3, the metabolically active form of thyroid.

ANTI-BULKING FACT #6. The lower your percentage of body fat, the better your body becomes at nutrient partitioning. This means individuals with low body fat are more effective at storing the ingested nutrients in the muscle (as muscle tissue or glycogen) or in the liver (as glycogen) and less effective at storing nutrients as body fat. To put it in simpler terms, leaner individuals can eat more nutrients without gaining fat.

ANTI-BULKING FACT #7. The idea that “a calorie is a calorie” is a bunch of bunk. Calories from sweet potatoes are great for building muscle; calories from beer are not. For that matter, getting fat increases the risk of dying from any cause, even terrorist attacks. I’m serious – you’re a bigger target and you can’t get out of danger as fast.

4. Burning too many calories outside the gym
You can’t effectively gain a lot of muscle mass if you play basketball four days a week and in the evening go to bars cutting the carpet till the wee hours, and then run up and down the beach on Sundays. My good friend Angus Cooper was a bronze medalist in hammer throwing at the Commonwealth Games. He used to repeat a poem that came from Al Schoterman, a PICP Level 5 strength coach who was a 1972 Olympian and Jud Logan’s hammer throw coach:


The Phases of Rest
Never run when you can walk
Never walk when you can get a ride
Never stand when you can sit
Never sit when you can lie down
Never lie down when you can go to sleep


5. Keeping your reps too low
Using relative-strength protocols are great to build up the nervous system to lift high loads, but they are not the fastest way to hypertrophy. That is why athletes who compete in set weight classes sport like judo and wrestling will do relative strength as they want to get stronger and not necessarily heavier. Alternating cycles of 9-12 reps with cycles of 4-8 reps is the quickest way to gain lean muscle mass. Occasionally doing sets of 20-50 can also boost mass gains in muscles with a relative higher proportion of slow twitch muscles like the quadriceps. Such high reps for hamstrings with are typically at least 60% fast-twitch would be a waste of time.



A post-workout bundle of whey protein, L-glutamine and glycine will improve recovery ability and help add muscle mass.
6. Failing to take post-workout shakes
Taking a post-workout shake is critical for mass gaining. In fact, the rate of protein synthesis and possibly muscle growth can double when protein is consumed immediately after a workout.

Researchers at the University of Connecticut at Storrs found that a protein/carb shake also helps increase the number of testosterone receptors.
For those athletes who are already lean, I’ve found that results are best when you use a formula that contains four carbs to every gram of protein. For carbs, you should be taking one gram per pound of bodyweight post-workout. For protein you should be taking 0.25g per pound of bodyweight. My recommendation for post-workout carb powder is Quadricarb.

Post-workout glutamine supplementation facilitates muscle recovery and can accelerate muscle glycogen resynthesis and glutamine levels, which are critical in creating an anabolic environment and in preventing overtraining. Adding glycine and/or Primal Greens also helps lower cortisol post workout.

7. Failing to stay hydrated
Water is often the most neglected nutrient. Dehydration leads to higher cortisol output; negative repercussions range from increased oxydative stress to the brain, to increased fat storage.

As a rule of thumb you should drink 0.6 to 0.7 ounces of water for every pound of bodyweight. In other words, if you weigh 200 pounds, you should drink 120 to 140 ounces of water a day. An easy way to ensure that you are drinking your proper daily quota is to measure your prescribed amount into containers for the day, every morning. By bedtime, all the containers should be empty.

When first starting to do this hydration protocol, many individuals realize that they barely drink 40 percent of their water needs by the time they retire for the evening. This exercise in itself is very educational. From a practical standpoint the best indication that you are staying well hydrated is that your morning urine is clear and odorless. If it has the color of Vermont’s finest maple syrup, start drinking more water.

8. Drinking stimulating drinks all the time
Stimulants by their very nature increase cortisol. That is fine if you are on your way to the gym and are going to use that extra drive to increase loading. But once the workout is over, no more coffee, caffeinated drinks, etc.

One of the dumbest things I have seen was at Italy’s best gym in Tuscany: Locals would reach for the coffee machine post workout! No wonder I’d never seen anyone from that town bench or squat over 80 kg all week.

9. Getting insufficient sleep
As in the case of fat loss, sleep deprivation can interfere with muscle mass gains. Lack of sleep lowers androgen levels and growth hormone levels, thus robbing you of some serious growth potential.

10. Consuming insufficient protein
For a 200-pound lean male, 300 grams of protein per day would be the minimum. In fact, I think the rule should be closer to two grams of protein per pound of body weight, assuming the person is lean.

For about 70 percent of the population who is not carb tolerant, two grams per pound is good for mass gains; it can make a huge difference. Personally, I couldn’t get above 192 pounds until champion bodybuilder Milos Sarcev convinced me to get two grams of protein per pound of body weight. In a matter of eight weeks’ time I was up to 205 pounds, lean.

That being said, if an individual is carb tolerant (i.e., handles carbohydrates very well), that value would drop to 1 to 1.5 grams per pound of body weight. Someone like Christian Thibaudeau, who’s not carb tolerant, should be getting 2 grams per pound. But I’d say 1 to 1.5 grams for a guy like Milos Sarcev, who would be able to wake up and drink a gallon mixture of 50 percent maple syrup and 50 percent dextrose without it affecting his blood sugar. Guys like Milos need to get 70 percent of their calories from carbs.

The bottom line is that carb intake has to be individualized to an extent. Still, most people don’t “deserve” the carbs they eat. The rule for most people is this: You have to earn your carbs!

While there are many mistakes that can be made in trying to gain muscle mass, correcting these 10 errors will help you achieve results faster than ever.
 

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yess make sure you increase caloriess!! an lets face it everyone loves that fast food triple decker bacon cheeseburger haha gotta a have a little dirty bulk I would die eatin good all the time!! and yes you can eat a good amount of "cheat meals" and still make great gains!!
 
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That was a good read ^
 
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That was a good read ^
Yeah I came across it last night, a lot of good info, I really havn't follwed a lot of that to a T, I normally just do the dirty bulk, then cut. I'm really going to make an effort sticking to a lot of these tips.
 
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Yeah I came across it last night, a lot of good info, I really havn't follwed a lot of that to a T, I normally just do the dirty bulk, then cut. I'm really going to make an effort sticking to a lot of these tips.
I don't do that.
I tend to eat what ever I want when I want.
What I've found is gainer shakes made me gain more fat than what I liked. I could eat like I have and I bet if I did cardio more and cut out the gainers I would be better off... I track my Cals and I take in a lot and I only burn 300-400 or so every gym session I think.... So those extra 600 Cals I'm taken in is not needed.
I was over eating.
 
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That top 10 started off great and then tailed into broscience land.
What didn't you agree with?

I didn't like how they pimped a product in there, but I agree with a lot of the info.
 
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great advice in here.guess only thing I can add is check out n2bulk if your looking for a very very solid weight gainer and take what these guys are saying to heart.
 
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great advice in here.guess only thing I can add is check out n2bulk if your looking for a very very solid weight gainer and take what these guys are saying to heart.
I'm super excited about this product !
 
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so in retrospec one with higher levels of bodyfat should instantly cut back before attempting to gain muscle? what constitutes for high body fat 15-20? i do agree that there is some broscience promoted there
 

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