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    Do you use prohormones? steroids? test boosters? What are you using for cholesterol?


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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    ^^^^^
    Who cares what we use, I've been waiting to see what you guys have up your sleeve for this. Is it finally time?
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    Heart help is out

    Available at nutra now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Heart help is out

    Available at nutra now.
    I didn't know it was already out. Looks like I'll be picking two up with my next order.
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    haha it's out...


    I was really just hoping to show people how Heart Help compares to what they currently take...


    I will put $500 of my own cash up against any other Cholesterol/heart health product on the market
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    haha it's out...


    I was really just hoping to show people how Heart Help compares to what they currently take...


    I will put $500 of my own cash up against any other Cholesterol/heart health product on the market
    No need, at least for me. I do something different every cycle in terms of cholesterol. I'm constantly tweaking and changing and figuring out how things works for me to come up with the most effective combination of ingredients, etc for myself. Been looking forward to this one for a while now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    I don't take anything, am i doing it wrong?
    Actually,


    even those people who don't have high cholesterol can benefit from Heart-Help.
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    Does it help with high blood pressure
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    Does it help with high blood pressure
    While its MOA's do not directly reduce BP, by reducing cholesterol, your heart won't have to pump as hard, thus reducing BP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    I don't take anything, am i doing it wrong?

    Depends, do you regularly get your cholesterol checked?

    My cholesterol sky rockets with even mild hormones.. but then again I eat tons of red meat!
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    While its MOA's do not directly reduce BP, by reducing cholesterol, your heart won't have to pump as hard, thus reducing BP
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    Actually,


    even those people who don't have high cholesterol can benefit from Heart-Help.
    I shall check it out.

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    Depends, do you regularly get your cholesterol checked?

    My cholesterol sky rockets with even mild hormones.. but then again I eat tons of red meat!
    I've never had my cholesterol checked, however no one in my family has ever had a cholesterol issue. Next cycle i should probably get it checked pre, intra, and post. I'll use this as a reminder
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    haha it's out...


    I was really just hoping to show people how Heart Help compares to what they currently take...


    I will put $500 of my own cash up against any other Cholesterol/heart health product on the market
    How about putting $500 up to show us some solid evidence between total cholesterol and CVD?

    Inhibiting the natural production of cholesterol in our body is not a good thing
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    So you're saying that inhibiting the hmg-coa reductase enzyme is a bad thing?



    That's the exact same way the most popular Rx drugs work.



    Edit: on top of that, the ingredient has been proven in adult humans to lower cholesterol, increase HDL, decrease LDL, decrease triglycerides, and decrease blood sugar, Lol are you joking here?
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    Krill oil is good stuff. The two would be a great pair. I'm just using fish oil + heart help right now.
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    Send me some....I get my bloodwork done every 6 months and my HDL has been within the same value give or take 2 units for 2.5 years. I am getting it done at the end of Feb
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    ^^^^^
    good ol fashioned niacin is great for cholesterol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    So you're saying that inhibiting the hmg-coa reductase enzyme is a bad thing?
    Yes

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    That's the exact same way the most popular Rx drugs work.
    I dislike statins as well

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    Edit: on top of that, the ingredient has been proven in adult humans to lower cholesterol, increase HDL, decrease LDL, decrease triglycerides, and decrease blood sugar, Lol are you joking here?
    lowering cholesterol isn't always a good thing
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    I'll give it a try.

    Last time I had bloodwork done, my LDL was in the 160's - way too high.

    On the positive side, my HLD was also extremely high, and my Triglycerides were next to nothing.

    I'd like to get the LDL down, of course, so "Heart Health" might be just what I'm looking for.

    On a side note - even though my overall cholesterol was high, some have told me that it's the ratio of good to bad that is more important, as opposed to the sum of adding the two numbers together. If that's the case, I'm in good shape.

    However, it can't hurt to get that LDL level down some - right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Yes



    I dislike statins as well



    lowering cholesterol isn't always a good thing
    Yes...drinking water isn't always a good thing either though ...


    The study showed zero side effects, and significant improvements in every user. Obviously lowering your cholesterol if you are at healthy ratios/levels is not advisable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGA3 View Post
    I'll give it a try.

    Last time I had bloodwork done, my LDL was in the 160's - way too high.

    On the positive side, my HLD was also extremely high, and my Triglycerides were next to nothing.

    I'd like to get the LDL down, of course, so "Heart Health" might be just what I'm looking for.

    On a side note - even though my overall cholesterol was high, some have told me that it's the ratio of good to bad that is more important, as opposed to the sum of adding the two numbers together. If that's the case, I'm in good shape.

    However, it can't hurt to get that LDL level down some - right?
    In my opinion, the ratio is what matters most. Thats why Heart Help shines because it simultaneously raises HDL while lowering LDL, thus making the ratio better and better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    Yes...drinking water isn't always a good thing either though ...


    How is this relevant?

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    The study showed zero side effects, and significant improvements in every user. Obviously lowering your cholesterol if you are at healthy ratios/levels is not advisable.
    Again, do you have any evidence that shows cholesterol to be a causative factor for CVD?

    Also let me be clear, this is in no way a criticism of your company's product but at the idea that people need to lower their cholesterol in order to be healthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    In my opinion, the ratio is what matters most. Thats why Heart Help shines because it simultaneously raises HDL while lowering LDL, thus making the ratio better and better.
    No, the type of LDL is what matters and inhibiting the hmg-coa reductase enzyme will not lower the right type. Yes it lowers total cholesterol but recent research (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...1/?tool=pubmed) has shown the use of statins (which work by inhibiting the hmg-coa reductase enzyme) does not lower small dense LDL, which is the one that is linked to inflammation (which is what raises CVD risk, not cholesterol). So while a statin will lower total cholesterol and will result in drops of LDL and even sdLDL it also changes the ratio of sdLDL and the larger LDLs, which is not good.

    Again, inhibiting the natural production of cholesterol in our body is not a good thing, especially when our bodies have an natural self-regulating system. What happens when the body tries to produce the necessary amount of cholesterol? What happens when adequate levels of cholesterol are not available for hormone production? Or what happens to the parts of our body that needs cholesterol?

    Cholesterol is not a bad thing.
    Inflammation is.
    Statins do not effectively decrease sdLDL which is the one that oxidizes and causes the inflammation which is what results in higher CVD risk.

    If your goal is to lower your CVD risk then your goal should be to reduce inflamation
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    No, the type of LDL is what matters and inhibiting the hmg-coa reductase enzyme will not lower the right type. Yes it lowers total cholesterol but recent research (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...1/?tool=pubmed) has shown the use of statins (which work by inhibiting the hmg-coa reductase enzyme) does not lower small dense LDL, which is the one that is linked to inflammation (which is what raises CVD risk, not cholesterol). So while a statin will lower total cholesterol and will result in drops of LDL and even sdLDL it also changes the ratio of sdLDL and the larger LDLs, which is not good.

    Again, inhibiting the natural production of cholesterol in our body is not a good thing, especially when our bodies have an natural self-regulating system. What happens when the body tries to produce the necessary amount of cholesterol? What happens when adequate levels of cholesterol are not available for hormone production? Or what happens to the parts of our body that needs cholesterol?

    Cholesterol is not a bad thing.
    Inflammation is.
    Statins do not effectively decrease sdLDL which is the one that oxidizes and causes the inflammation which is what results in higher CVD risk.

    If your goal is to lower your CVD risk then your goal should be to reduce inflamation
    So for someone like me, what is an effective remedy?

    Or, with my high levels of "good" cholesterol and low triglycerides, am I ok?

    Suggestions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    No, the type of LDL is what matters and inhibiting the hmg-coa reductase enzyme will not lower the right type. Yes it lowers total cholesterol but recent research (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...1/?tool=pubmed) has shown the use of statins (which work by inhibiting the hmg-coa reductase enzyme) does not lower small dense LDL, which is the one that is linked to inflammation (which is what raises CVD risk, not cholesterol). So while a statin will lower total cholesterol and will result in drops of LDL and even sdLDL it also changes the ratio of sdLDL and the larger LDLs, which is not good.


    Again, inhibiting the natural production of cholesterol in our body is not a good thing, especially when our bodies have an natural self-regulating system. What happens when the body tries to produce the necessary amount of cholesterol? What happens when adequate levels of cholesterol are not available for hormone production? Or what happens to the parts of our body that needs cholesterol?

    Cholesterol is not a bad thing.
    Inflammation is.
    Statins do not effectively decrease sdLDL which is the one that oxidizes and causes the inflammation which is what results in higher CVD risk.

    If your goal is to lower your CVD risk then your goal should be to reduce inflamation
    statins are effective in reducing inflammation. many many studies have shown significant reduction of CRP levels with statin use.
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    I'm trying the 'anabolic diet' ....it's supposed to cut fat and lower cholesterol....raise hdl's and lower ldl's ....it's a high fat..red meat diet...
    ....I'm in day 3...but hope this will work......if it works I keep my test levels and my muscle mass.............

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    My total cholesterol is 386 LDL 298 Hdl 11 my doc was like o fock (I was and had been on epi for 8weeks) didn't tell him of course he gave me zocor now of this could do the same thing I would love it only thing is I'm in college an I have no room in budget :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by charley View Post
    I'm trying the 'anabolic diet' ....it's supposed to cut fat and lower cholesterol....raise hdl's and lower ldl's ....it's a high fat..red meat diet...
    ....I'm in day 3...but hope this will work......if it works I keep my test levels and my muscle mass.............

    .........charley
    thats the diet where you eat only protein and fats all week but can add carbs on the weekends right? I still have that book around here somewhere....kind of like atkins but more geared for the bodybuilder.....
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    thats the diet where you eat only protein and fats all week but can add carbs on the weekends right? I still have that book around here somewhere....kind of like atkins but more geared for the bodybuilder.....
    50 different diets out there that all do the same thing... smh
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    50 different diets out there that all do the same thing... smh
    yep exactly.....all those types of diets recommend less than 30 grams of carbs M-F and only protein/fat basically.....then you can eat carbs as advised on the weekends, maybe all you can eat carbs or a prescribed amount each day. same shyt different author/diet name.
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    .....matter of fact, now that I think of it....I'm gonna "create" a high fat/high protein weekday diet with carbs on the weekend and market it...just gotta come up with a catchy name.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post


    How is this relevant?



    Again, do you have any evidence that shows cholesterol to be a causative factor for CVD?

    Also let me be clear, this is in no way a criticism of your company's product but at the idea that people need to lower their cholesterol in order to be healthy.
    With the term cvd, are you referring to cardiovascular disease? If so, are you referring to the new medical literature stating that high cholesterol does not increase your risk for heart disease? If so, I use to work on a cardiac floor in a very large, magnet hospital and attended one of the grand round conferences lead by some of the top cardiologists on the east coast and they were discussing this. They stated many reasons why elevated cholesterol above the normal range is bad and should be lowered, but also were providing evidence that high cholesterol above the norm didn't increase the risk of cvd. I didn't really pay attention all to well though, it was right after one of my contest preps ended, so I just went for the free food and because I got paid to sit there haha.. looking back now, I should have taken notes!

    Regardless, elevated ldl or decreased hdl outside of the recommended range is never a good thing, and should be managed via diet and exercise first, then supplements, than pharmacologically.

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    Benefits of The Anabolic Diet.
    The Anabolic Diet is a high protein, high fat diet which involves carbs cycling. Some things you can expect:

    • Fat Loss. You force your body to use fat for energy by avoiding carbs for 5 days. Your body stores less fat because you eat lots of fats. You'll get rid of stubborn fat like love handles. 10% body fat year through is easy.
    • Muscle Gains. Key to the Anabolic Diet is fatty read meat. This is rich in cholesterol and saturated fats which increase your testosterone levels. Testosterone is the muscle building hormone.
    • Improved Health. Lower cholesterol & tryglyceride levels, less plaque build up, controlled insulin levels, less food allergies, less acne, ... Do a blood test before starting the Anabolic Diet and compare months later.
    • More Energy. Controlling your carb intake will make you wake up full of energy. You'll never have blood sugar crashes or heaviness after eating again. Also less irritability & less mood swings.
    • No Hunger. Fat satiates and makes you feel full longer. You'll never feel hungry on the Anabolic Diet. You'll have to remind yourself to eat even though you'll be eating more than before.


    How The Anabolic Diet Works.
    The Anabolic Diet works whatever your gender or age. And like any diet, it works best coupled with strength training. Here's how your week looks like when you eat the Anabolic Diet way:

    • Weekdays. Proteins, fats & veggies. Eat fatty red meat, fatty fish, whole eggs, full fat cheese, olive oil, spinach, broccoli, cabbage, ...
    • Weekends. Eat lots of carbs. Pasta, rice, bread, potatoes, oats, fruit, ... Lower your protein & fat intake.


    Benefits of The Anabolic Diet.
    The Anabolic Diet is a high protein, high fat diet which involves carbs cycling. Some things you can expect:

    • Fat Loss. You force your body to use fat for energy by avoiding carbs for 5 days. Your body stores less fat because you eat lots of fats. You'll get rid of stubborn fat like love handles. 10% body fat year through is easy.
    • Muscle Gains. Key to the Anabolic Diet is fatty read meat. This is rich in cholesterol and saturated fats which increase your testosterone levels. Testosterone is the muscle building hormone.
    • Improved Health. Lower cholesterol & tryglyceride levels, less plaque build up, controlled insulin levels, less food allergies, less acne, ... Do a blood test before starting the Anabolic Diet and compare months later.
    • More Energy. Controlling your carb intake will make you wake up full of energy. You'll never have blood sugar crashes or heaviness after eating again. Also less irritability & less mood swings.
    • No Hunger. Fat satiates and makes you feel full longer. You'll never feel hungry on the Anabolic Diet. You'll have to remind yourself to eat even though you'll be eating more than before.


    How The Anabolic Diet Works.
    The Anabolic Diet works whatever your gender or age. And like any diet, it works best coupled with strength training. Here's how your week looks like when you eat the Anabolic Diet way:

    • Weekdays. Proteins, fats & veggies. Eat fatty red meat, fatty fish, whole eggs, full fat cheese, olive oil, spinach, broccoli, cabbage, ...
    • Weekends. Eat lots of carbs. Pasta, rice, bread, potatoes, oats, fruit, ... Lower your protein & fat intake.


    Benefits of The Anabolic Diet.
    The Anabolic Diet is a high protein, high fat diet which involves carbs cycling. Some things you can expect:

    • Fat Loss. You force your body to use fat for energy by avoiding carbs for 5 days. Your body stores less fat because you eat lots of fats. You'll get rid of stubborn fat like love handles. 10% body fat year through is easy.
    • Muscle Gains. Key to the Anabolic Diet is fatty read meat. This is rich in cholesterol and saturated fats which increase your testosterone levels. Testosterone is the muscle building hormone.
    • Improved Health. Lower cholesterol & tryglyceride levels, less plaque build up, controlled insulin levels, less food allergies, less acne, ... Do a blood test before starting the Anabolic Diet and compare months later.
    • More Energy. Controlling your carb intake will make you wake up full of energy. You'll never have blood sugar crashes or heaviness after eating again. Also less irritability & less mood swings.
    • No Hunger. Fat satiates and makes you feel full longer. You'll never feel hungry on the Anabolic Diet. You'll have to remind yourself to eat even though you'll be eating more than before.


    How The Anabolic Diet Works.
    The Anabolic Diet works whatever your gender or age. And like any diet, it works best coupled with strength training. Here's how your week looks like when you eat the Anabolic Diet way:

    • Weekdays. Proteins, fats & veggies. Eat fatty red meat, fatty fish, whole eggs, full fat cheese, olive oil, spinach, broccoli, cabbage, ...
    • Weekends. Eat lots of carbs. Pasta, rice, bread, potatoes, oats, fruit, ... Lower your protein & fat intake.
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    .....matter of fact, now that I think of it....I'm gonna "create" a high fat/high protein weekday diet with carbs on the weekend and market it...just gotta come up with a catchy name.....
    lmao. Call it the Warriors Eat Like A Bird Diet!
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    Yep that is the diet I was talking about charley......I have the book, its a smaller book.....might not call it a real book, but I used that diet many times. It works well for fat loss thats for certain, just that I always felt flat during the week with no carbs. I can run on fats no problem, but my muscles just looked flat. If fat loss is your primary goal and your not that into the cosmetic appearance stuff....Its a good diet. Lots of protein as well for muscle building in addition to the fat burning. I can eat me some eggs and sausage and bacon and meats thats for sure...........
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    Two other diet books I have here that are almost exactly like the anabolic diet are "Bodyopus" by Dan duchaine and of course the Atkins diet. The duchaine diet is REALLY strict on the weekend recomp with carbs....its not as fun as the other diets where you eat any and all carbs....you need to eat specific foods or specific carb shakes etc on the weekend. In his bodyopus book he has that atkins like diet along with an isocaloric option as well as a more conventional diet. its 3 different diets in one book
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