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    Why is soy protein hated?


    Main thing I've heard about it is that it increases estrogen?
    Trying to figure out why the majority of people talk down on soy protein....
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    As far as I know it contains phyto-estrogens. Even my aunt who had breast cancer was told to stay away from all soy products by her doc.


    http://www.optimumchoices.com/Soy.htm

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    quick google search came up with a ton of links to info. I didn't read thru this one but it might help you out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash
    As far as I know it contains phyto-estrogens. Even my aunt who had breast cancer was told to stay away from all soy products by her doc.

    http://www.optimumchoices.com/Soy.htm

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    quick google search came up with a ton of links to info. I didn't read thru this one but it might help you out.
    Damn... I'll take a look.
    Crazy, just see so much hate upwards soy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Damn... I'll take a look.
    Crazy, just see so much hate upwards soy.
    monster mash pretty much sum'd it up.........

    its just not a good protein source, too many problems directly related to high estrogen levels in both genders......
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    Soy protein is for girls....and maybe hippies too....
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    Soy protein is for girls....and maybe hippies too....

    n girls who braid their pubes...........lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by PVL

    n girls who braid their pubes...........lmao
    Lol--that's some funny sh1t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    Lol--that's some funny sh1t.
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    So which one of y'all use soy?
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    Aaron let me get that code fool
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    Quote Originally Posted by RealBigga
    Aaron let me get that code fool
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    fuk u too u pie ass whiteboy acting out as a black boy on a bodybuilding forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by RealBigga

    fuk u too u pie ass whiteboy acting out as a black boy on a bodybuilding forum
    Don't make me find yo chubby Azz n fuq u up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RealBigga View Post
    fuk u too u pie ass whiteboy acting out as a black boy on a bodybuilding forum
    bwahahahahahahah! NOW THAT WAS FUNNY AS ****!!!!!
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    This thread just went to str8
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    This thread just went to str8
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    go drink your soy bean shake you bitch
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    This thread just went to str8
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    lmao..........its what we do best.................
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    Quote Originally Posted by RealBigga

    go drink your soy bean shake you bitch
    Ya mama
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Ya mama
    i wudnt be suprised, u drink wat bitches drink. someone move this thread to femalebodybuilding dot com, thx
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    you guys made my dad with this.............hahahahahhaha hahaah!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PVL
    you guys made my dad with this.............hahahahahhaha hahaah!
    That would require me to have fuked ya grandma, I didn't do that
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    That would require me to have fuked ya grandma, I didn't do that

    lol.............day ya jackass.............hahahhahah ahah
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    Quote Originally Posted by jherman08
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    i have no problem using soy protein, or protein blends with soy in them.

    nothing wrong with plant based proteins. just dont get all crazy, using 50mg of soy, instead of whey an other forms.

    but 5g of soy or w/e isn't going to hurt you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b
    i have no problem using soy protein, or protein blends with soy in them.

    nothing wrong with plant based proteins. just dont get all crazy, using 50mg of soy, instead of whey an other forms.

    but 5g of soy or w/e isn't going to hurt you.
    You really think it's a big concern this soy protein?
    Noticed you said 5g, most proteins have way more than 5g in them even if it's a blend
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    i have no problem using soy protein, or protein blends with soy in them.

    nothing wrong with plant based proteins. just dont get all crazy, using 50mg of soy, instead of whey an other forms.

    but 5g of soy or w/e isn't going to hurt you.
    Could use pea protein too.
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    For that matter........who ever said we "hated" the soy protein?......I would term it more as a "strong dislike" for soy protein. bordering on hate, but that is just too strong of a word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
    For that matter........who ever said we "hated" the soy protein?......I would term it more as a "strong dislike" for soy protein. bordering on hate, but that is just too strong of a word.
    But you got the original point right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    But you got the original point right?
    I actually hate it, but I wanted to placate any possible soy protein loving board sponsors/members so they did not have to come up in here and defend themselves....remember visalus? and how that turned out? Do we need another Visalus disaster, this time about defending the honor of soy? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    i have no problem using soy protein, or protein blends with soy in them.

    nothing wrong with plant based proteins. just dont get all crazy, using 50mg of soy, instead of whey an other forms.

    but 5g of soy or w/e isn't going to hurt you.
    ^ This

    People have the tendency to over exaggerate things. Soy is fine just keep it to a minimal and dont make it your main protein source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    I actually hate it, but I wanted to placate any possible soy protein loving board sponsors/members so they did not have to come up in here and defend themselves....remember visalus? and how that turned out? Do we need another Visalus disaster, this time about defending the honor of soy? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc
    Inhibits protein synthesis
    Would never take soy
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    Inhibits protein synthesis
    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    Would never take soy
    Not quite..

    Soy increases AMPK activity. AMPK inhibits mTOR.

    PMID: 18420492

    But if I may point out, the above is a study using mice. In order for soy (or any other phytoestrogens) to do what it did in the above study you would need to figure out how much soy would be an equivalent amount for humans. So the question then becomes, how much soy does a human really need to consume in order to activate AMPK? Also, if adding something like extra BCAAs or whey to the soy be enough to counter the AMPK and its effect on mTOR?

    Again, as I said in my earlier post, as long as soy isnt you main protein source then getting minimal amounts here and there arent going to have a huge negative effect IMO

    Also, for what its worth, AMPK will also increase fat oxidation. Within that study above it showed large losses in body fat mass and not fat free mass.
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    Guess I won't make that one of my main sources of protein next time
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Not quite..

    Soy increases AMPK activity. AMPK inhibits mTOR.

    PMID: 18420492

    But if I may point out, the above is a study using mice. In order for soy (or any other phytoestrogens) to do what it did in the above study you would need to figure out how much soy would be an equivalent amount for humans. So the question then becomes, how much soy does a human really need to consume in order to activate AMPK? Also, if adding something like extra BCAAs or whey to the soy be enough to counter the AMPK and its effect on mTOR?

    Again, as I said in my earlier post, as long as soy isnt you main protein source then getting minimal amounts here and there arent going to have a huge negative effect IMO

    Also, for what its worth, AMPK will also increase fat oxidation. Within that study above it showed large losses in body fat mass and not fat free mass.
    I have heard recent talk about soy containing something inhibits protein synthesis. I cannot remember what it was called. Regardless, you don't hear people contemplating and arguing about whey.....so why not just buy whey protein? Its cheap enough and tried and true.
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