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Is it possible to not respond to creatine?

  1.  10-25-2011  09:22 PM
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    Is it possible to not respond to creatine?


    I have tried mono twice, both a month run. Never noticed anything, bloating, strength gains, or faster recovery. Hmm

    Also, I have been doing a 5 day split but I don't see much improvement in my gains. Would a 3 day on 2 day off split be worth to try? It would be

    Mon- chest,tri,shoulders or chest,bis,shoulders
    tues-legs
    wed-back, bis or back,triceps
    thurs-off
    far-off
    sat- repeat

    Better to do chest with tris or chest with bis?



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    Yes it is possible...consider yourself lucky with naturally high PCr stores.

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    Just in case you haven't already heard...

    Creatine seems to require an insulin spike for max absorption. Caffeine can also interfere with absorption. For those reasons I like it post-workout in a shake.

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    Originally Posted by Flabby View Post
    Just in case you haven't already heard...

    Creatine seems to require an insulin spike for max absorption. Caffeine can also interfere with absorption. For those reasons I like it post-workout in a shake.
    not necessarily true....

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    If creatine has no effect it could be possible your levels are already saturated from food. If this were true there would be no need or benefit in supplementing with creatine.

    Any chance you eat a ton of steak?

    Also in my experience creatine effects are notices long term. I would not expect to see huge results in 4 weeks personally.

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    Originally Posted by Flabby View Post
    Just in case you haven't already heard...

    Creatine seems to require an insulin spike for max absorption. Caffeine can also interfere with absorption. For those reasons I like it post-workout in a shake.
    Sorry, incorrect.

    Originally Posted by MM11 View Post
    If creatine has no effect it could be possible your levels are already saturated from food. If this were true there would be no need or benefit in supplementing with creatine.

    Any chance you eat a ton of steak?

    Also in my experience creatine effects are notices long term. I would expect to see huge results in 4 weeks personally.
    From food or genetically.

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    Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Yes it is possible...consider yourself lucky with naturally high PCr stores.
    Exactly! I I should probably see what other responses are before repeating what some one already said.

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    Originally Posted by MM11 View Post
    If creatine has no effect it could be possible your levels are already saturated from food. If this were true there would be no need or benefit in supplementing with creatine.

    Any chance you eat a ton of steak?

    Also in my experience creatine effects are notices long term. I would not expect to see huge results in 4 weeks personally.
    I edited this to say i would NOT expect to see huge results in 4 weeks. Just to be clear.

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    Originally Posted by MM11 View Post
    I edited this to say i would NOT expect to see huge results in 4 weeks. Just to be clear.
    Actually, with creatine it should pretty much take 4 weeks to reach saturation as per the studies

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    You could also try a purer creatine. Some non-responders do actually respond well with high purity creatine
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    Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Sorry, incorrect.
    I am referring to studies I've read wherein creatine in carbohydrate solutions was absorbed better than creatine + protein or creatine + water. Is there something wrong with the methodology?

    Similarly, studies have shown that creatine ingested with caffeine wasn't as effective.

    What do you know that I don't?

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    Originally Posted by Flabby View Post
    I am referring to studies I've read wherein creatine in carbohydrate solutions was absorbed better than creatine + protein or creatine + water. Is there something wrong with the methodology?

    Similarly, studies have shown that creatine ingested with caffeine wasn't as effective.

    What do you know that I don't?
    Yes, carbs may increase creatine uptake, but it truly does not matter in the longterm. You know what else increases overall creatine uptake? Loading. Just as we say you don't need to load mono, you certainly don't need to consume it with carbs, and I prefer not to.

    Caffeine + creatine is no issue whatsoever.

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