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    Quote Originally Posted by randysavage View Post
    what do you all think? People who have tried them.
    Total waste of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy View Post
    Is there any health risks for someone 21 years old though? I know it's not the same as steroids, which everyone pretty much tells you don't touch until you're 21 or even older. But is there health risks that would be different to someone taking it in their 30's or 40's.

    Why would you take a supposed "HGH booster" when your 21?. Doesn't make any sense if you understand what HGH is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGunn View Post
    I am sorry, what I meant was a company that sells a PH or a 4-DHEA type product (for example) that either sources their raws domestically or that has a cGMP facility.

    App nut is a great company, and I have seen those pics before. Your test booster looks solid, but natty test boosters do not do much for me except make me moody.

    So besides PP Androseries are there any other PH type products out there that are DSHEA compliant and that are or work like a PH?

    Sorry for my market-ignorance on this matter
    DSHEA compliance with a PH is a thin line.. I can't think of any company that sells truly legal PHs AND arent sourced from China (other than PP)

    I think with the recent law changes all that is left really is DHEA and progestins.. AMS/forerunner labs produce some decent DHEAs but don't know who they source from.

    Sadly appnut got out of the PH game a while ago
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    Do I wish Applied Nutraceuticals nothing but the best and hope their business remains successful! Yes. God bless them and everyone associated with them! Do I want to log a competitors product which might divert sales from my company and put money in their pockets? Not at this time : )

    It took us 6 months to come up with the formula and have the Cabergolean manufactured. A lot of thought and effort went into this product.
    If people are not interested in Cabergolean, then I officially give my recommendation to Applied Nutraceuticals IGF-2 as an excellent GH booster.





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    I certainly understand what HGH is, but I have no idea what you mean by, "Doesn't make any sense if you understand what HGH is."

    I would say that if you have an efficient endocrine system at any age, then a GH or Test booster might not be necessary. But I also know for certain from a clinical application that a GH booster used effectively will augment the efficacy of an efficient endocrine system. In studies where 500mg of L-dopa was given to individuals to measure GH release, those with the most efficient endocrine systems achieved the greatest results.

    What HGH boosters have you used T-Bone? I can tell you that if you have hypothyroidism, various metabolic diseases, or hypothalamic hypopituitarism then a GH booster may not work well for you. If you have used HGH consistently and at a high enough dose (varies) then a GH booster may not work well for you.

    But to blanketly say ALL GH boosters are "garbage" is just an uneducated opinion.

    Look at the data behind App Nut's HGHup. It is scientifically clear that their product increases plasma GH levels upwards of 1500+% for a few hours. That's not garbage. I can tell you in the tests we have done on our end, we have seen similar results.

    In your defense, maybe you have just used garbage GH boosters in the past? But times have changed, and there are a few revolutionary HGH boosters on the market today.


    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Why would you take a supposed "HGH booster" when your 21?. Doesn't make any sense if you understand what HGH is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGunn View Post
    I certainly understand what HGH is, but I have no idea what you mean by, "Doesn't make any sense if you understand what HGH is."

    I would say that if you have an efficient endocrine system at any age, then a GH or Test booster might not be necessary. But I also know for certain from a clinical application that a GH booster used effectively will augment the efficacy of an efficient endocrine system. In studies where 500mg of L-dopa was given to individuals to measure GH release, those with the most efficient endocrine systems achieved the greatest results.

    What HGH boosters have you used T-Bone? I can tell you that if you have hypothyroidism, various metabolic diseases, or hypothalamic hypopituitarism then a GH booster may not work well for you. If you have used HGH consistently and at a high enough dose (varies) then a GH booster may not work well for you.

    But to blanketly say ALL GH boosters are "garbage" is just an uneducated opinion.

    Look at the data behind App Nut's HGHup. It is scientifically clear that their product increases plasma GH levels upwards of 1500+% for a few hours. That's not garbage. I can tell you in the tests we have done on our end, we have seen similar results.

    In your defense, maybe you have just used garbage GH boosters in the past? But times have changed, and there are a few revolutionary HGH boosters on the market today.
    Just ordered some Cabergolean. I will take it after taking my HGHpro cycle after my Trans dermal DHEA cycle. I hope. Sending my order to Hawaii if nothing changes and then after that it will take a while to get to me as I just had my mom send me a box from home with a few goodies.

    Thanks for the discount code. I basically bought it because I love Macuna and this is probably the cheapest its ever going to be.
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    dang, last time i offer somebody to log a product coming out of my own stash.
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    Never used one.
    Does something like AI HGH pro cause to fall asleep or just help with sleep quality.

    Could use some help with quality, but not looking for something to make me fall asleep.
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    it doesnt help fall asleep, at least not for me. it helps with better quality of sleep. i love GH boosters. i see many positive effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGunn View Post
    I certainly understand what HGH is, but I have no idea what you mean by, "Doesn't make any sense if you understand what HGH is."

    I would say that if you have an efficient endocrine system at any age, then a GH or Test booster might not be necessary. But I also know for certain from a clinical application that a GH booster used effectively will augment the efficacy of an efficient endocrine system. In studies where 500mg of L-dopa was given to individuals to measure GH release, those with the most efficient endocrine systems achieved the greatest results.

    What HGH boosters have you used T-Bone? I can tell you that if you have hypothyroidism, various metabolic diseases, or hypothalamic hypopituitarism then a GH booster may not work well for you. If you have used HGH consistently and at a high enough dose (varies) then a GH booster may not work well for you.

    But to blanketly say ALL GH boosters are "garbage" is just an uneducated opinion.

    Look at the data behind App Nut's HGHup. It is scientifically clear that their product increases plasma GH levels upwards of 1500+% for a few hours. That's not garbage. I can tell you in the tests we have done on our end, we have seen similar results.

    In your defense, maybe you have just used garbage GH boosters in the past? But times have changed, and there are a few revolutionary HGH boosters on the market today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla
    it doesnt help fall asleep, at least not for me. it helps with better quality of sleep. i love GH boosters. i see many positive effects.
    Thx.

    U have a R1?
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    Nice!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    I really need to start using that! I'm half tempted to stop HGHup and switch to IGF-2
    Personally I combine the the two to reduce the EGCG content and have gotten better results which also could be because of the rhodiola in IGF-2 which as an MAOI-A inhibitor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGunn
    Nice!!!
    Thx
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    i see you try to copy the Raven hahaha looks sick bro, no joke

    I used to have a raven then had to sell it. ridin a gsxr now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla
    i see you try to copy the Raven hahaha looks sick bro, no joke

    I used to have a raven then had to sell it. ridin a gsxr now.
    GSXR Bad azz & yeah I did that red stripe lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGunn View Post
    Do I wish Applied Nutraceuticals nothing but the best and hope their business remains successful! Yes. God bless them and everyone associated with them! Do I want to log a competitors product which might divert sales from my company and put money in their pockets? Not at this time : )

    It took us 6 months to come up with the formula and have the Cabergolean manufactured. A lot of thought and effort went into this product.
    If people are not interested in Cabergolean, then I officially give my recommendation to Applied Nutraceuticals IGF-2 as an excellent GH booster.
    Understandable and thanks for the recommendation
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    yeah bro, that R1 raven i had was sick. im 5'9" 185 (too small for a 1000cc) and it would freakin fly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla
    yeah bro, that R1 raven i had was sick. im 5'9" 185 (too small for a 1000cc) and it would freakin fly.
    That GSXR rolls. Lol sorry for thread hijack y'all.

    I'm lighter than u by about 5lbs I can hold that 1k down. She is scary
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    I can't help feel you glossed over my gratitude Josh?
    I definitely did bro.. MY BAD! lol.. Most of the time I am on AM I am at work on my phone during short down time periods and am in and out so I tend to overlook post occasionally.. PM coming your way now bud!

    Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    Personally I combine the the two to reduce the EGCG content and have gotten better results which also could be because of the rhodiola in IGF-2 which as an MAOI-A inhibitor.
    I tried to take both products at 5 caps each in a single day and ended up feeling nauseous most of the day. I dont think that much mucuna sat very well with me.

    BTW I love me some adaptogens! Rhodiola Rosea is a VERY under rated ingredient IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    That GSXR rolls. Lol sorry for thread hijack y'all.

    I'm lighter than u by about 5lbs I can hold that 1k down. She is scary
    i look at it from a different perspective cause that was my first bike other than a 110cc pocket bike i would practice my stunts on
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1balla

    i look at it from a different perspective cause that was my first bike other than a 110cc pocket bike i would practice my stunts on
    See I don't stunt, but I do shît & get.
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