just take jack3d
Agreed^^ use the karbolin post workout with some protein or bcaas
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Take jacked at least an hour after food too.
Food can blunt some of the effects
No matter what you mixed Jack3d with, it will never be "good"
Are you talking about taste or effectsOriginally Posted by CDMMA
Jack3d has only ever given me energy.. I don't ever get good pumps with it. I like controlled labs white flood. Seems to work best for me.
FWIW, "pre-workout" is a pretty diverse/wide category. One could look for pumps,, energy, focus, or any combination. I always enjoyed Jack3d. I like N2KTS a bit more, now (as the 2 are incredibly similar in their ingredient profile), and of course I like a number of other pre-workout products, too. I don't know that I'll be going back to stims or anything with 1,3 dimeth again, though.
To reiterate the answers to the OP's question, though, take the post, as others have suggested.
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Take Jack3d if you want to feel cracked out. Not good for pumps but will make you almost "need" to work out.
If you're looking to add more creatine to the mix, sure why not? Jack3d alone is a great product (in my case anyway), but only contains a small amount of creatine, so if that's what you're after, it should be an ok mix, just make sure you drink a lot of water
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if you want a strong stim, Meso would be good to try. I know if you ask APSFAN, he will send you samples. Other stims i like are Launch and SuperPump.
Something you could do is take Lit Up with 2 caps of RPM. perfect blend IMO.
I don't know if Jack3d started it originally, but the whole small container concentrated preworkout (Jack3d, VPX Anarchy, Six Star Nutrition Ignition, 1MR) all seem like the same stack of ingredients. They work to 'get you going' but a Monster or 5-hour energy will do that. Personally, the other PWOs that focus on pump (AAKG), Muscular needs (BCAAs, Glutamine) and a moderate level of stim (Caffeine) cover a broader spectrum.
Anyone ever see that Gatorade commercial for the G Series, where the first product the athlete is taking is like a squeeze gel pack. The announcer says something like "Fuel for your game, not your nerves". I totally think that's a knock against the stimulant laden ones like Jacke3d.