Which supplements not to buy again?
- 09-16-2011, 07:47 PM
Which supplements not to buy again?
Which of these supplements do you think are useless and should never buy them again?
( I think it's good )
( I think it's good )
( Maybe useless? )
L-Histidine ( Not necessary )
OxiMega Greens ( Maybe Useful )
Sleed Aids ( , MRM Relax All etc.. ) [ Maybe usefull but with on-off ]
Joints Supls ( etc.. ) [ Don't know, but rarely i see doms. Maybe body got used to? ]
( Maybe useless )
( It's good )
( It's good but low dosage )
Fibers ( It's good but low dosage )
And if i need to cycle citrulline, , glycergrow, joint suppls or not.
- 09-16-2011, 08:05 PM
Oximega Greens (unless you eat no veggies)
Sleep Aids (stick with 1...zma is cheap and effective)
Joint Supps (they don't affect DMS, it's called adaptation to training. Keep some cissus and use ONLY if you have a flareup)
Glycergrow (detrimental to hypertrophy)
Digsestive Enzymes (unless you have GI issues)
Fiber (on a BBing diet, you should have more than enough fiber)
09-16-2011, 08:08 PM
Worthless: Glutamine, ZMA.
Possibly can be dropped: Digestive enzymes (basically if it's too expensive or you don't notice a benefit)
Beta Alanine is great to take every day, as long as you are dosing properly. Cit Malate is great pre workout. Histidine i'm not familiar with. Greens are quite important if your diet is lacking, provide a pleathora of antioxidant benefits. Sleep aids... use em if you need em, just don't blow a bunch of money on them. Joint supps, use them if you need them. Using CL's Orange Triad for a multi will provide you with joint support; will save you some money. Glycergrow... eh can't comment. Fiber supplement, use if you need more fiber. Your call.
Nothing you have listed needs to be cycled. BA takes something like 4 weeks or so to saturate anyways. Cit Malate take on workout days pre workout.
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09-16-2011, 10:13 PM
Even if I lift on a 2 on 1 off routine? I use it in that purple wrath and it seems to work greatIf you're not taking it everyday you're doing it wrong. Also, split the doses.
09-16-2011, 10:17 PM
I stand corrected. Touche' sir.lol Ima start using more and prob a scoop and half on lifting days
http://www.betaalanine.info/How much Beta-Alanine is needed to cause performance increases?
Research has shown that you can take an amount between 3.2 grams and 6.4 grams per day to significantly boost carnosine levels and improve performance. The most recent research, now using 4-5 grams a day, is showing comparable carnosine concentration and performance improvements to those using 6.4 g daily. Based off the current research, we suggest 4 grams of beta-alanine a day, with an optional 2 week loading phase of 6 grams a day during the first month of use.
09-16-2011, 10:33 PM
Glutamine - useless, but ill finish the bottle anyway
ZMA - useless
Tribulus - as standalone, theres better options
Joint supps - ill fix my diet and training if it becomes an issue
Vitamins - when bulking, unnecessary
L-arginine - does nothing for me
Sesamin - I respond well to it, but why not just buy sesame seed oil? Works for me.
By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.
09-16-2011, 11:04 PM
U arnt the only one. what a sham of a nitric oxide booster. To bad the only way to actually get the vasodialation effect is at high doses....Intravenously..syring es anyone.lolL-arginine - does nothing for me
http://yourarticlesource.com/Art/411...-Arginine.htmlThe subjects consumed 6 g/day arginine (ARG trial) or placebo (CON trial) for 3 days then performed an intermittent anaerobic exercise test on a cycle ergometer. Blood samples were collected before supplementation, before and during exercise and 0, 3, 6, 10, 30 and 60 min after exercise. There was no significant difference between the 2 trials in plasma nitrate and nitrite, lactate and ammonia concentrations and peak and average power in the exercise. The results of this study suggested that short-term arginine supplementation had no effect on nitric oxide production, lactate and ammonia metabolism and performance in intermittent anaerobic exercise in well-trained male athletes.
This one was pretty promising tho for those looking for more vasodilatation
These findings suggest that acute moderate-intensity exercise induces vasodilation through an increase in NO bioavailability in humans and that high-intensity exercise increases oxidative stress.
09-22-2011, 10:25 PM
09-23-2011, 06:45 AM
Cycling GlycerGROW is a good idea, maybe when (if) you come off stims.
This is usually how my stack looks:
White Flood + Green MAG (3 months)
Green BULGE + GlycerGROW (3 months)
rinse and repeat.
Oximega Greens is probably the most important one on that list IMO, because it boosts immune system function, helps with digestive health.
It's one thing to take a product to have bigger muscles, but it's a whole other ball game to take something because it makes you healthy and feel good (greens). Take it for what its worth.
09-23-2011, 06:46 AM
09-23-2011, 06:54 AM
Here's my take on the list:
Citrulline Malate (good)
Beta Alanine (Good...I get enough of it through other products (PW,WF)
Glutamine ( I would not buy this.)
L-Histidine (I get this through my EAAs and complete protein sources. No need to supplement it in addition.)
OxiMega Greens (Important for digestion with high calories, important to stay healthy, probiotics, boost immune)
Sleed Aids (These are useful but not everyday.)
Joints Supls (Orange TRIad)
ZMA (It's good)
Glycergrow (It's VERY good and underrated)
DIgestive Enzymes (Again, Oximega Greens and OT has these.)
Fibers (Don't need them if your eating right and taking greens)
09-23-2011, 11:39 AM
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09-23-2011, 03:11 PM
The whole theory that glycerol "crushes muscle fascia and prevents hypertrophy" is a long shot. On paper with MS Paint pictures it looks like it is legitamate, but highly highly unlikely.
This was a theory made against companies when GMS was produced in attempt to bash the products. There is absolutely 0 data on it.
In fact, if you do some research you may find glycerol is something you want to take daily if you are a performance athlete. Glycerol is not going to do anything directly for hypertrophy, good or bad, but it most definitely has its use in athletes and HIT workouts.
Its also banned in the NCAA based off of the data on its use for performance enhancement. It works
Arnall DA, Goforth HW Jr. Failure to reduce body water loss in cold-water immersion by glycerol ingestion. Undersea Hyperb Med. 1993 Dec;20(4):309-20.
Inder WJ, Swanney MP, Donald RA, Prickett TC, Hellemans J. The effect of glycerol and desmopressin on exercise performance and hydration in triathletes. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1998 Aug;30(8):1263-9.
Jimenez C, Melin B, Koulmann N, Allevard AM, Launay JC, Savourey G. Plasma volume changes during and after acute variations of body hydration level in humans. Eur J Appl Physiol Occup Physiol. 1999 Jun;80(1):1-8.
Meyer LG, Horrigan DJ Jr, Lotz WG. Effects of three hydration beverages on exercise performance during 60 hours of heat exposure. Aviat Space Environ Med. 1995 Nov;66(11):1052-7.
Mitchell JB, Braun WA, Pizza FX, Forrest M. Pre-exercise carbohydrate and fluid ingestion: influence of glycemic response on 10-km treadmill running performance in the heat. J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 2000 Mar;40(1):41-50.
Montner P, Stark DM, Riedesel ML, Murata G, Robergs R, Timms M, Chick TW. Pre-exercise glycerol hydration improves cycling endurance time. Int J Sports Med. 1996 Jan;17(1):27-33.
Wagner DR. Hyperhydrating with glycerol: implications for athletic performance. J Am Diet Assoc. 1999
Tie them all together, the writing is on the walls. It is a great ingredient
09-23-2011, 03:13 PM
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09-23-2011, 11:53 PM
Niacin rashes...take 2 roxylean ECA and feel the rashes come
...::: Olympus Labs Athlete & Representative :::...Crossfit - DEMIGOD -
09-24-2011, 11:01 AM
09-24-2011, 11:06 AM
Nothing beats the niacin flush, I scratch like crazy, makes the BA tingles seem like nothing
THings unnecessary will always depend upon diet, age and goals. Coming up with a generalized list is useless imo. What was unnecessary for me at 21 is much different for me now at 35. Just my 2 cents
09-24-2011, 11:06 AM
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