i think enough people on this board know me and know that my review will be honest. i used dermacrine 3 pumps/day for a year and a half straight(along side trt) until i ran out. of course there were times ive used it at full dose. ive been using transderm at 3 pumps/day also. when i hit the one month mark i will put up my review. the last week or so im gonna go full dose. i will only give one teaser here. one of them is stronger than the other(not to mean better necessarily). whether over dosed in one ingredient or another is hard to say and of course ill never know. stay tuned