Strongest Stimulant Pre Workout

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  1. Hey Ben, congrats on making the NP newsletter with this thread I'll be printing it off, mailing it to you to autograph, nnn-kay?


  2. hahahaha
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by freefall365 View Post
    Thoughts on why some products cause the dreaded 1,3 crash while others don't?

    Any ingredients to take with 1,3 to nullify the crash?
    Not sure on things to counteract 1,3 crash but DL-Phenylalanine and L-Tyrosine are supposed to be good at mitigating caffeine crashes.

    Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    Hey Ben, congrats on making the NP newsletter with this thread I'll be printing it off, mailing it to you to autograph, nnn-kay?
    Is this true? I have double checked my email account and can't find a royalty check anyway for them using my posts.

    Autographs of course I will sign, include 50 with each print out you want my name on!
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    I have never heard of this. I will have a look when I get home as I don't think it is sold in the UK.
    here's a little review on it that i wrote. Quick Review of NOXIPRO [Orange Papaya] and Xtend v2 [Watermelon]

    its good stuff. and it's only 21.95 where i normally order it. Tastes better than jack3d and N2KTS, works better than jack3d and N2KTS, and its cheaper than jack3d and N2KTS. this is a staple for me.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by 808rebel View Post
    here's a little review on it that i wrote. Quick Review of NOXIPRO [Orange Papaya] and Xtend v2 [Watermelon]

    its good stuff. and it's only 21.95 where i normally order it. Tastes better than jack3d and N2KTS, works better than jack3d and N2KTS, and its cheaper than jack3d and N2KTS. this is a staple for me.
    i hate all the products from that brand. i dont respond to any of them .
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    i hate all the products from that brand. i dont respond to any of them .
    I haven't tried anything else from CTD Labs, so I can't comment on the overall brand. But the ingredient blend is right up Jack3d and N2KTS' alley. Basically if u respond well to jack3d or N2KTS, then i'd reccomend you try this.



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    Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    Hey Ben, congrats on making the NP newsletter with this thread I'll be printing it off, mailing it to you to autograph, nnn-kay?
    I'll be printing it off, as well, but I'll be tacking it up with the rest of my bdcc shrine

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  8. Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    I'll be printing it off, as well, but I'll be tacking it up with the rest of my bdcc shrine

    Haha. The only photos available of me online are in fitness shoots where I am half naked. That shrine must be for 'alone time'.

    Rebel, that proprietary blend looks surprisingly similar. Where did all these companies get their formulas from?!

    It isn't available in that format in the UK. It has the same name and comes in tablet form, with different ingredients lol.
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  9. that one prop blend has more ingriedents and less mg, the n2kts has more mg and less ingriendents, your getting more of each ingriedent listed on the n2kts
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  11. Some of the pre-workouts I've tried are Jack3d, NOshotgun, Noexplode, Mesomorph, Muscle Marinade, 1MR, JetFuse, MP-806 and maybe a few others.

    The best one I would recommend right now is Mesomorph, it gives the best pumps, muscle endurance and sense of focus/well being. Honestly my weight on it has gone up (without the usual joint pain). Almost seems too good to be true but I like it a lot (been on it 2 weeks).

    I did not like Muscle Marinade as it made me crash hardcore (lethargy out the ass at work, 1-2 hrs post workout). Jack3d was good I liked it, especially for the price (tired of people hating on it). NOxplode and Shotgun were average, I took them a few years back, solid products. Also Jetfuse by GAT was a good product, I liked it a lot for focus and pump. However Mesomorph at the moment being, takes all of them by a decent margin.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by spetz View Post
    Some of the pre-workouts I've tried are Jack3d, NOshotgun, Noexplode, Mesomorph, Muscle Marinade, 1MR, JetFuse, MP-806 and maybe a few others.The best one I would recommend right now is Mesomorph, it gives the best pumps, muscle endurance and sense of focus/well being. Honestly my weight on it has gone up (without the usual joint pain). Almost seems too good to be true but I like it a lot (been on it 2 weeks).I did not like Muscle Marinade as it made me crash hardcore (lethargy out the ass at work, 1-2 hrs post workout). Jack3d was good I liked it, especially for the price (tired of people hating on it). NOxplode and Shotgun were average, I took them a few years back, solid products. Also Jetfuse by GAT was a good product, I liked it a lot for focus and pump. However Mesomorph at the moment being, takes all of them by a decent margin.
    This is very helpful, thank you. How many scoops of Jack3d were you using? The thing that puts me off Mesomorph are the varying reviews from different batches with some people appearing to have no idea which version they have and which is best.

  13. When did APS change Mesomorph guys? and more importantly WHY did they change it??

  14. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    This is very helpful, thank you. How many scoops of Jack3d were you using? The thing that puts me off Mesomorph are the varying reviews from different batches with some people appearing to have no idea which version they have and which is best.
    For jack3d I used 1 to 1 1/2 scoops, depending on what I was lifting that day. I never used 2 whole scoops in efforts to avoid building too much tolerance to it.
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    I don't know that I ever crashed from any stims, so to speak, but this got me to thinking. For those who work out after work and close to bed, perhaps this could be a good thing. I know a lot of people are afraid of pre-workouts near bed because of staying up all night, but if you crash 1-2 hours after workout, that would be almost perfect for those working out in the late evening.

    Just a thought.
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  16. Musle warfare has some supposedly "extremely potent" stim pre's...
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    I don't know that I ever crashed from any stims, so to speak, but this got me to thinking. For those who work out after work and close to bed, perhaps this could be a good thing. I know a lot of people are afraid of pre-workouts near bed because of staying up all night, but if you crash 1-2 hours after workout, that would be almost perfect for those working out in the late evening.

    Just a thought.
    Crashing from a stimulant overdose is never a good thing. When you over stimulate your adrenal glands and spike your dop/seratonin, that's never a beneficial action. Eventually taking something that force crashes you will catch up and f you over. It's like flooring your vehicle everywhere you go and claiming it's ok because the car still (barely) makes it from A to B. Eventually the engine or something is going to blow. Something has to give.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by ProteinMurder View Post
    When did APS change Mesomorph guys? and more importantly WHY did they change it??
    I have no idea. When JD was a rep there he tried to get samples for me but struggled due to me being in the UK. There were many varied reviews and R1balla made a thread on it I believe as his subsequent tubs of Mesomorph appeared much weaker. There are different labels about so it would be easy enough to look into. Some people were receiving items where the labels didn't match what was online due to updates being made. I was tempted to buy Mesomorph but I didn't fancy purchasing a tub not knowing if the good reviews were from the version I was buying or not. It isn't like each review starts with a photo of their label for clarification on which one they were using lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by HamrphisT View Post
    Musle warfare has some supposedly "extremely potent" stim pre's...
    Most of their products contain DAA or NMDA which I am not keen on consuming. Their Thermofuse contains thyroidals which I use (Alpha-T2 and Shift) but I don't want it every time I work out.

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    On a side note. With my latest purchase of RecoverPro I got a sample of Maximize V2 which is very good timing. I will be trying it with my workout tomorrow. I am not sure how potent it is expected to be from the label as the individual ingredients don't have their amounts declared but I am keen to try it from feedback in this thread.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc


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    On a side note. With my latest purchase of RecoverPro I got a sample of Maximize V2 which is very good timing. I will be trying it with my workout tomorrow. I am not sure how potent it is expected to be from the label as the individual ingredients don't have their amounts declared but I am keen to try it from feedback in this thread.
    Your gonna love it, I have tried jack3d,focus xt,1m.r,mesomorph,white flood, lit-up, and plenty more nothing compares in the stim dpt to maximize V2 specially at a scoop and a half

  20. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    I have no idea. When JD was a rep there he tried to get samples for me but struggled due to me being in the UK. There were many varied reviews and R1balla made a thread on it I believe as his subsequent tubs of Mesomorph appeared much weaker. There are different labels about so it would be easy enough to look into. Some people were receiving items where the labels didn't match what was online due to updates being made. I was tempted to buy Mesomorph but I didn't fancy purchasing a tub not knowing if the good reviews were from the version I was buying or not. It isn't like each review starts with a photo of their label for clarification on which one they were using lol.
    Good call on holding-off on Mesomorph. I got my hands on the original formula and I was so stoked, all i could do was rave about how epic it was. Without even knowing they reformulated it, i got 2 more tubs and they were WEAK. Boy was I upset. That was my only experience with APS, and due to their current reputation, I am very hesitant to purchase their products.
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  21. The Meso changed formulas like 2 months ago or so. The new one doesnt contain two or three ingredients that the original does. I think one of them is icariin. The new one is still decent, just isnt as strong stim wise. still gives you a pump, still gives u the beta A tingles.
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  22. but White Lightning by APS is really good if you guys are interested in a decent stim
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  23. Try C4 I swear by it!

  24. Quote Originally Posted by 808rebel View Post
    Good call on holding-off on Mesomorph. I got my hands on the original formula and I was so stoked, all i could do was rave about how epic it was. Without even knowing they reformulated it, i got 2 more tubs and they were WEAK. Boy was I upset. That was my only experience with APS, and due to their current reputation, I am very hesitant to purchase their products.
    God, Supp companies sh1t me! *shakes fist* I've got one in the mail :-(

  25. Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    but White Lightning by APS is really good if you guys are interested in a decent stim
    BigT recommended this which is a big testament to the strength of a product. I shall look into it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jasen View Post
    Try C4 I swear by it!
    I got a serving sample and wasn't impressed by it. Part of the problem with stimulant samples. Many of them say you can take 1.5, 2 or even 3 servings if you have a high stimulant tolerance. 1 serving of C4 was underwhelming for me.
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