[fightbackhxc]

preworkout carbs do the same thing cosmetically, while also having additional benefits

add in a gda with those carbs, and there's your pump concoction.

I am not a big carb guy. I have a few carbs preworkout but not an insane amount.

[BBB]

I have used Hemavol and it works quite well if taken as directed but it's quite expensive.

[fightbackhxc]

I have used Hemavol and it works quite well if taken as directed but it's quite expensive.

I have always been curious about this one...never tried it...but i agree its a bit pricey.

[EasyEJL]

speaking of hemavol, what about hemadraulix?

[John33]

My top 3 as of now for those interested:

Non-stim:
1. Ultima
2. Pumpbol
3. Clout

Low-stim:

1. Vengeance
2. SAN Fierce
3. Focus XT

High stim:

1. Presurge Unleashed
2. FlashOver
3. C4 Extreme

This is easily one of the most informative threads on pre-workout I have seen in a long time. Thanks a lot for this! Question: which non-stim and low-stim supplement have you found to be the most effective for strength gains? Is it still Ultima and Vengeance or something else?

[RenegadeRows]

Great reviews!

[BBB]

I tried a sample pack of HemodrauliX once and it seemed to work pretty well as far as a good pump is concerned. I might try it again some day. Thus far I am really enjoying the pump I'm getting from Pump-O-Bol.

[BBB]

It's not absorbed in the muscle fibers! It draws fluid into the interstitium, not the myocyte. This is why the pump from GMS is purely cosmetic and does not "volumize" muscles by any stretch of the imagination. Don't stress over it man, you're not missing out on anything .

@50Carbs - I have yet to try hemavol.

I hear what you're saying. I think I'll just tank my tub of GlyerGrow. There are much better things on the market. Thanks.

[R1balla]

i think Lit Up is one of the best tasting. especially if u add lemonade to the peach tea

[Ducati7]

"Omega Sports Ultima - After coming off a heavy stent with stims, this was my go-to supp. For the first week, I felt nothing. It just couldn't compete with 400mg caffeine. But then the effects slowly crept in. Now that I have been stim-free for 4 months, the effects are outstanding. My focus after taking it is simply unreal. I do get very real stim-free energy. I don't get pumps from this, but instead I get something much greater: consistent improvements in performance. I can't explain how, but this amazing blend has given me consistent improvements in strength, endurance, and overall health ever since I started using it. To date, the best preworkout I have ever tried."

Hmmm...I have heard awesome things about Ultima but the feedback I got on "Trinitine" was it gave good pumps.

[mr.cooper69]

"Omega Sports Ultima - After coming off a heavy stent with stims, this was my go-to supp. For the first week, I felt nothing. It just couldn't compete with 400mg caffeine. But then the effects slowly crept in. Now that I have been stim-free for 4 months, the effects are outstanding. My focus after taking it is simply unreal. I do get very real stim-free energy. I don't get pumps from this, but instead I get something much greater: consistent improvements in performance. I can't explain how, but this amazing blend has given me consistent improvements in strength, endurance, and overall health ever since I started using it. To date, the best preworkout I have ever tried."

Hmmm...I have heard awesome things about Ultima but the feedback I got on "Trinitine" was it gave good pumps.

Trinitine is a creatine and will produce no pumps lol.

[John33]

A lot of the products that give you a great pump contain nitrates. I have heard that nitrates should be avoided for health reasons, but I have also heard that they are naturally found in vegetables. So what do you guys think about potential side effects from nitrates in the pre-workout products?

[AndrewNico]

I hear what you're saying. I think I'll just tank my tub of GlyerGrow. There are much better things on the market. Thanks.

you should try selling it. Im sure someone out there wants some

[R1balla]

he can always send it my way lol

[mr.cooper69]

A lot of the products that give you a great pump contain nitrates. I have heard that nitrates should be avoided for health reasons, but I have also heard that they are naturally found in vegetables. So what do you guys think about potential side effects from nitrates in the pre-workout products?

It's safe if you don't go crazy (unfortunately, us BBers go crazy with everything haha). From a knowledgeable man:

"it would seem as though the carcinogenic potential [might] be an issue for those who chronically use nitrate formulas that do not incorporate antioxidants/nitrosation inhibitors into the formula. In terms of nitrates, ThermoLife seems to be in a category by themselves in respect to insuring the health of the consumer. When you look at the majority of nitrate marketing [not that there's much at this point], there seems to be an absence of emphasis on this subject. "

[AndrewNico]

howd the exam go coop? or is that tomorrow

[MakaveliThaDon]

And SAN Fierce has been added to post #2.

awesome review of fierce cooper. I told you man, I knew I wasn't the only one who thought fierce was just absolutely ridiculous! The pumps on it are down right SICK. Imagine it at 2 scoops bro. It's nuts.

Still haven't found anything that touches it...yet.

[John33]

It's safe if you don't go crazy (unfortunately, us BBers go crazy with everything haha). From a knowledgeable man:

"it would seem as though the carcinogenic potential [might] be an issue for those who chronically use nitrate formulas that do not incorporate antioxidants/nitrosation inhibitors into the formula. In terms of nitrates, ThermoLife seems to be in a category by themselves in respect to insuring the health of the consumer. When you look at the majority of nitrate marketing [not that there's much at this point], there seems to be an absence of emphasis on this subject. "

Makes sense.

While we are on the subject of safety and potential side effects, what are your thoughts on synephrine and Citrus Aurantium (bitter orange) that are in a lot of pre-workout formulas? I have been reading that it is basically an ephedrine, which was banned because it may cause a heart attack or a stroke, and other side effects? Is it really true? Is there a real danger or are those claims highly exaggerated?

[mr.cooper69]

Makes sense.

While we are on the subject of safety and potential side effects, what are your thoughts on synephrine and Citrus Aurantium (bitter orange) that are in a lot of pre-workout formulas? I have been reading that it is basically an ephedrine, which was banned because it may cause a heart attack or a stroke, and other side effects? Is it really true? Is there a real danger or are those claims highly exaggerated?

I think you are confusing methylsynephrine and synephrine hcl. Synephrine hcl can be great IF you have the proper form. Synephrine really isn't very dangerous, though I don't see much use for it in preworkout products.

[SweetLou321]

Sweet reviews, presurge and 1mr are both now 1,3 free. Time to try them again lol. One day ill try ultima

[fightbackhxc]

i think Lit Up is one of the best tasting. especially if u add lemonade to the peach tea

LIT UP is pretty tatsey, do you have those samples yet?

[John33]

And SAN Fierce has been added to post #2.

I received my samples of SAN Fierce today, cannot wait to try it tomorrow, but they have also included samples of Launch Full Impact 4350, which seems to be another pre-workout product. Have you had a chance to try Launch? It seems to contain more stimulants than Fierce.

[John33]

My top 3 as of now for those interested:

Non-stim:
1. Ultima
2. Pumpbol
3. Clout

Low-stim:

1. Vengeance
2. SAN Fierce
3. Focus XT

I have tried Pump-Bol and Fierce. I need to use both a few more times, but my initial impression is that Fierce produces a better pump, which is interesting, because I was expecting Pump-Bol to produce a better pump. Punp-Bol tastes better, however, so that is a plus. In your review, if I am not mistaken, you said that Fierce gave you the best pump of them all, right? Do you have any idea why?

[mr.cooper69]

I have tried Pump-Bol and Fierce. I need to use both a few more times, but my initial impression is that Fierce produces a better pump, which is interesting, because I was expecting Pump-Bol to produce a better pump. Punp-Bol tastes better, however, so that is a plus. In your review, if I am not mistaken, you said that Fierce gave you the best pump of them all, right? Do you have any idea why?

I said SAN Fierce gave the best pump of any stimulant-based product I've ever used (pumpbol, agmatine, and the like are still superior for pumps IMO). My only guess with Fierce is that they gave us a FULL dose of creatine nitrate, and that since it has caffeine, the pump was augmented (yes, during exercise caffeine is a vasodilator, NOT a vasoconstrictor).

[John33]

I said SAN Fierce gave the best pump of any stimulant-based product I've ever used (pumpbol, agmatine, and the like are still superior for pumps IMO).

Interesting, I got no pump from Agamatine at all.

Anyway, have you used PLCAR, GPLC or LCLT? If you have, how would you rate them?