[mr.cooper69]

"Omega Sports Ultima - After coming off a heavy stent with stims, this was my go-to supp. For the first week, I felt nothing. It just couldn't compete with 400mg caffeine. But then the effects slowly crept in. Now that I have been stim-free for 4 months, the effects are outstanding. My focus after taking it is simply unreal. I do get very real stim-free energy. I don't get pumps from this, but instead I get something much greater: consistent improvements in performance. I can't explain how, but this amazing blend has given me consistent improvements in strength, endurance, and overall health ever since I started using it. To date, the best preworkout I have ever tried."

Hmmm...I have heard awesome things about Ultima but the feedback I got on "Trinitine" was it gave good pumps.

Trinitine is a creatine and will produce no pumps lol.

[John33]

A lot of the products that give you a great pump contain nitrates. I have heard that nitrates should be avoided for health reasons, but I have also heard that they are naturally found in vegetables. So what do you guys think about potential side effects from nitrates in the pre-workout products?

[AndrewNico]

I hear what you're saying. I think I'll just tank my tub of GlyerGrow. There are much better things on the market. Thanks.

you should try selling it. Im sure someone out there wants some

[R1balla]

he can always send it my way lol

[mr.cooper69]

A lot of the products that give you a great pump contain nitrates. I have heard that nitrates should be avoided for health reasons, but I have also heard that they are naturally found in vegetables. So what do you guys think about potential side effects from nitrates in the pre-workout products?

It's safe if you don't go crazy (unfortunately, us BBers go crazy with everything haha). From a knowledgeable man:

"it would seem as though the carcinogenic potential [might] be an issue for those who chronically use nitrate formulas that do not incorporate antioxidants/nitrosation inhibitors into the formula. In terms of nitrates, ThermoLife seems to be in a category by themselves in respect to insuring the health of the consumer. When you look at the majority of nitrate marketing [not that there's much at this point], there seems to be an absence of emphasis on this subject. "

[AndrewNico]

howd the exam go coop? or is that tomorrow

[MakaveliThaDon]

And SAN Fierce has been added to post #2.

awesome review of fierce cooper. I told you man, I knew I wasn't the only one who thought fierce was just absolutely ridiculous! The pumps on it are down right SICK. Imagine it at 2 scoops bro. It's nuts.

Still haven't found anything that touches it...yet.

[John33]

It's safe if you don't go crazy (unfortunately, us BBers go crazy with everything haha). From a knowledgeable man:

"it would seem as though the carcinogenic potential [might] be an issue for those who chronically use nitrate formulas that do not incorporate antioxidants/nitrosation inhibitors into the formula. In terms of nitrates, ThermoLife seems to be in a category by themselves in respect to insuring the health of the consumer. When you look at the majority of nitrate marketing [not that there's much at this point], there seems to be an absence of emphasis on this subject. "

Makes sense.

While we are on the subject of safety and potential side effects, what are your thoughts on synephrine and Citrus Aurantium (bitter orange) that are in a lot of pre-workout formulas? I have been reading that it is basically an ephedrine, which was banned because it may cause a heart attack or a stroke, and other side effects? Is it really true? Is there a real danger or are those claims highly exaggerated?

[mr.cooper69]

Makes sense.

While we are on the subject of safety and potential side effects, what are your thoughts on synephrine and Citrus Aurantium (bitter orange) that are in a lot of pre-workout formulas? I have been reading that it is basically an ephedrine, which was banned because it may cause a heart attack or a stroke, and other side effects? Is it really true? Is there a real danger or are those claims highly exaggerated?

I think you are confusing methylsynephrine and synephrine hcl. Synephrine hcl can be great IF you have the proper form. Synephrine really isn't very dangerous, though I don't see much use for it in preworkout products.

[SweetLou321]

Sweet reviews, presurge and 1mr are both now 1,3 free. Time to try them again lol. One day ill try ultima

[fightbackhxc]

i think Lit Up is one of the best tasting. especially if u add lemonade to the peach tea

LIT UP is pretty tatsey, do you have those samples yet?

[John33]

And SAN Fierce has been added to post #2.

I received my samples of SAN Fierce today, cannot wait to try it tomorrow, but they have also included samples of Launch Full Impact 4350, which seems to be another pre-workout product. Have you had a chance to try Launch? It seems to contain more stimulants than Fierce.

[John33]

My top 3 as of now for those interested:

Non-stim:
1. Ultima
2. Pumpbol
3. Clout

Low-stim:

1. Vengeance
2. SAN Fierce
3. Focus XT

I have tried Pump-Bol and Fierce. I need to use both a few more times, but my initial impression is that Fierce produces a better pump, which is interesting, because I was expecting Pump-Bol to produce a better pump. Punp-Bol tastes better, however, so that is a plus. In your review, if I am not mistaken, you said that Fierce gave you the best pump of them all, right? Do you have any idea why?

[mr.cooper69]

I have tried Pump-Bol and Fierce. I need to use both a few more times, but my initial impression is that Fierce produces a better pump, which is interesting, because I was expecting Pump-Bol to produce a better pump. Punp-Bol tastes better, however, so that is a plus. In your review, if I am not mistaken, you said that Fierce gave you the best pump of them all, right? Do you have any idea why?

I said SAN Fierce gave the best pump of any stimulant-based product I've ever used (pumpbol, agmatine, and the like are still superior for pumps IMO). My only guess with Fierce is that they gave us a FULL dose of creatine nitrate, and that since it has caffeine, the pump was augmented (yes, during exercise caffeine is a vasodilator, NOT a vasoconstrictor).

[John33]

I said SAN Fierce gave the best pump of any stimulant-based product I've ever used (pumpbol, agmatine, and the like are still superior for pumps IMO).

Interesting, I got no pump from Agamatine at all.

Anyway, have you used PLCAR, GPLC or LCLT? If you have, how would you rate them?

[mr.cooper69]

Interesting, I got no pump from Agamatine at all.

Anyway, have you used PLCAR, GPLC or LCLT? If you have, how would you rate them?

I've used them all. Tough to compare them since they're totally different.

LCLT was great for HIIT when I used it. Also reduced soreness, not placebo by any means.

GPLC did not do much for pumps for me. I used MHP NO Bomb and noticed no difference.

PLCAR is great when you're stim-free and need an energy boost. It really wakes you up without stimming you up.

[AndrewNico]

I said SAN Fierce gave the best pump of any stimulant-based product I've ever used (pumpbol, agmatine, and the like are still superior for pumps IMO). My only guess with Fierce is that they gave us a FULL dose of creatine nitrate, and that since it has caffeine, the pump was augmented (yes, during exercise caffeine is a vasodilator, NOT a vasoconstrictor).

Im glad you included that explanation for caffeine at the end. I almost saw another glutamine thread starting because of that statement . . . lol

[BBB]

I get the best pumps from Pump-O-Bol. GPLC works at very high doses which makes it expensive. As far as GPLC is concerned NO-Bomb worked best for me but you have to take it about two hours prior to your workout. Timing is critical with this product which makes it kind of a pain. I get nothing from Agamatine as far a pumps are concerned. C-Bol is a close second to Pump-O-Bol. Here again nitrates. As I said before GlyerGrow and/or glycerin doesn't do a thing for me.

[John33]

PLCAR is great when you're stim-free and need an energy boost. It really wakes you up without stimming you up.

What is the right way to dose PLCAR?

Also, I am assuming you have tried ALCAR as well. How does it compare to PLCAR? Does it make sense to use them both?

[mr.cooper69]

What is the right way to dose PLCAR?

Also, I am assuming you have tried ALCAR as well. How does it compare to PLCAR? Does it make sense to use them both?

I'd stack both if you could. ALCAR is my favorite carnitine form due to the ridiculous amount of benefits it confers for overall health. PLCAR should be dosed 2g/day.

ALCAR gives me focus. PLCAR gives me energy.

[John33]

I'd stack both if you could. ALCAR is my favorite carnitine form due to the ridiculous amount of benefits it confers for overall health. PLCAR should be dosed 2g/day.

ALCAR gives me focus. PLCAR gives me energy.

What is the source of PLCAR from SNS?

Also, do you have any idea why brands like NOW, Doctor's Best and Jarrows do not make straight PLCAR (Propionyl L-Carnitine)? They are all a combination of GPLC and PLCAR.

[John33]

I'd stack both if you could. ALCAR is my favorite carnitine form due to the ridiculous amount of benefits it confers for overall health. PLCAR should be dosed 2g/day.

I have heard that ALCAR should be dosed at 1-to-2 grams a day. Is that correct?

[RenegadeRows]

Good thread...you should try the new WF v2, with the updated flavors! I'd like to see a review on that.

Good writeups

[Presa]

Any thoughts on reviewing Neurocore?

Don't waste your time. I knew better than to buy a Muscletech product!! Knew it, knew it, knew it!!! Took the AD bait like a shark after a surfer!! I gave the rest to my dog in his water bowl. He drank it all and then went to sleep.......

[John33]

Presurge Unleashed - When I had my first scoop of this, I knew I had found the one. I was getting ready to do some very heavy deadlifts, and never before did I feel so eager to just get on my knees and RIP. PSU gave me everything I wanted: great energy, noticeable pumps, and a very, very intense focus. Adequate dosing of creatine made it an instant staple in my routine.

Tub - 9.5/10

Tried it today. Took two scoops. Maybe I was expecting too much, but I got no noticeable increase in energy or an increase in focus from it, and the pumps were meh. How did you dose it?

[mr.cooper69]

What is the source of PLCAR from SNS?

Also, do you have any idea why brands like NOW, Doctor's Best and Jarrows do not make straight PLCAR (Propionyl L-Carnitine)? They are all a combination of GPLC and PLCAR.

Not sure on the source, it was a one-run item. GPLC seems more popular, but I'm not a huge fan (biased studies).

I have heard that ALCAR should be dosed at 1-to-2 grams a day. Is that correct?

2g per day is the way to go. I take it split 1g AM, 1g around 4 PM.

Good thread...you should try the new WF v2, with the updated flavors! I'd like to see a review on that.

Good writeups

Haven't tried the new new flavors, but I tried the first run of the watermelon flavor. Delicious!

Tried it today. Took two scoops. Maybe I was expecting too much, but I got no noticeable increase in energy or an increase in focus from it, and the pumps were meh. How did you dose it?

Which version is this? There's 3 at this point, and mine was the original

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get out

[John33]

Which version is this? There's 3 at this point, and mine was the original

I have no idea which version I have. How would I tell? The bottle does not seem to have a version number on it.

[mr.cooper69]

I have no idea which version I have. How would I tell? The bottle does not seem to have a version number on it.

Is there 1,3D in it? What is the caffeine content? And the % Icariin?

[John33]

Is there 1,3D in it?

No.

What is the caffeine content?

225 mg.

And the % Icariin?

20% Icariin.

[mr.cooper69]

No.



225 mg.



20% Icariin.

Ok yours is v3. Mine was v1 with a lower caffeine, a nice clean dose of 1,3D, and 40% icariin.