Well... I ordered two bottles of each, and started my 8 week run today. I've been on protein - only supplementation for a couple months now. Anyways, Took them as instructed, took someand slammed down a scoop of 1mr and hit the gym! Aggression was through the roof! I havnt had a workout like this in a longgg time. Tore shoulders bis and abs up. Great pump, great workout, great feeling. Definitely excited for whats to come. Ps - hopefully the brand new gf appreciates the extra boost(;.