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    Best supps/enzymes for protein-specific digestion


    No clue why but too much meat = constipation.

    I switched over to shakes to compensate for protrein needs but that's a bandaid on this problem.

    Anything over ~200 grams lately and I'm locked up (but only when MEAT is consumed) - bizarre.

    Fiber (lots!) and water (gallon+) intake are fine.

    Magnesium at night, has provided no help.

    NOT looking for a laxative!

    I'm leaning towards proteolytic enzymes (proteases)?

    Protein is about 45-50% of my diet if anyone needs to know with the fat/carbs being 25% and 25%.



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    Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    No clue why but too much meat = constipation.I switched over to shakes to compensate for protrein needs but that's a bandaid on this problem.Anything over ~200 grams lately and I'm locked up (but only when MEAT is consumed) - bizarre.Fiber (lots!) and water (gallon+) intake are fine.Magnesium at night, has provided no help. NOT looking for a laxative!I'm leaning towards proteolytic enzymes (proteases)?Protein is about 45-50% of my diet if anyone needs to know with the fat/carbs being 25% and 25%.
    NOW or Solaray make a digestive enzyme complex that has high protease content. Gut Health looks good too

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    What is your idea of 'lots' of fiber? 35g+ and is it evenly spaced out throughout the day or a lot at once?

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    Why so much protein in your diet? Seems like a waste of resources to me @ 50%
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    Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    NOW or Solaray make a digestive enzyme complex that has high protease content. Gut Health looks good too
    Thanks Natty

    Originally Posted by SilentBob187 View Post
    What is your idea of 'lots' of fiber? 35g+ and is it evenly spaced out throughout the day or a lot at once?

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    Why so much protein in your diet? Seems like a waste of resources to me @ 50%
    As crazy as it sounds, I easily get in 60-75+ grams a day EASY. I am a cyclical low carber and I eat a ton of food that are designed to be high fiber in lieu of the carbs to make me sane. Very high fiber tortillas (Joseph's Bakery), Tons of almonds daily (I cant stop! lol), zero carb cookies (Brand: Yes to cookies), and a TON of fibrous veggies (broccoli/green beans/spinach) daily @ 3 diff meals.

    Normally, Im a pooping machine.

    As far as your question regarding why 50%. While I tend to agree that for most, it would seem excessive, but for me, it's the only way to remain lean. Carbs and me just don't fare well. Then, when I eat TOO many fats, I get a little chunky as well. This ratio seems to work best for me.

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    It sounds like you're getting a lot of junk fiber, but your diet also sounds messed up. 50% of caloric intake should not come from protein. How many grams per day are we talking here?
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    I know RLS just released a digestive enzyme matrix that looks promising for the types of issue you are having. I haven't used it but it looks like something worth checking out that may help you.

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    Looks solid! Thanks buddy

    Digesta Matrix a complete digestive enzyme complex that has been formulated to help break down 30 grams of carbs, 15 grams of protein, and 15 grams of fat (Breakdowns are based on a one capsule dosage) . The naturally occurring ingredients in Digesta Matrix help ensure the necessary breakdown of macronutrients in your body. You’ve been training hard and eating properly; now take your health to another level with Ruthless Supplement’s Digesta Matrix.
    Amylase (known for breaking down [complex] starch into [simple] sugars), lipase (known for the transporting and processing of dietary lipids), and cellulase (a key enzyme in the hydrolysis of cellulose) are just a few of the powerful enzymes included in Digesta Matrix’s complex. With such dominant ingredients, you can rest assure that Digesta Matrix has all the building blocks of a legitimate digestive enzyme complex. Take one or two capsules at the beginning of each meal and let Digesta Matrix do the rest of the work.
    Supplement Facts
    Serving Size 1 Capsule
    Amount Per Serving
    Protease 1 20,000 HUT*
    Protease 2 4,000 HUT*
    Acid Stable Protease 100 SAPU*
    Amylase 5,000 DU*
    Lipase 1,250 FIP*
    Cellulase 500 CU*
    Glucoamylase 50 AGU*
    Invertase 10 SU*
    Catalase 50 BU*
    AGS a-Galactosidase 50 Galu*
    Beta-Glucanase 65 BGU*
    Pactinase 1,500 Ajdu*
    Xylanase 125 Xu*
    Phytase 10 Pu*
    Hemicellulase 750 Hcu*
    Lactase 500 ALU*
    Bromelain 500,000 PU*
    Papain 500,000 PU*
    *Daily Value not established.



    Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    I know RLS just released a digestive enzyme matrix that looks promising for the types of issue you are having. I haven't used it but it looks like something worth checking out that may help you.

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    I just got the Digesta Matrix in the mail but I haven't tried it yet. I read a lot on it and it semmed like a very solid product...hence the reason why I ordered it lol.

    I don't see what would the problem be if 50% of your calories came from protein intake.
    I'm on 100g of carbs/day...in other words, ATM, I am not a very happy person :/

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    If you decide to go with that I'd like to hear what you think. I don't think having 50% of your macros as protein is necessarily a problem. I do it all the time with low Cal/low Carb days and never have issues so I dont think that would be giving you the problems
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    Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    If you decide to go with that I'd like to hear what you think. I don't think having 50% of your macros as protein is necessarily a problem. I do it all the time with low Cal/low Carb days and never have issues so I dont think that would be giving you the problems
    Hey Rick the product says it has
    Protease 1 20,000 HUT*
    Protease 2 4,000 HUT*
    I thought there was only one protease for protein absorption. Which ones of those are for protein absorption?
    I'm on 100g of carbs/day...in other words, ATM, I am not a very happy person :/

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    NOW has several, including Protein Digest

    BioCore Edge 150 mg ** 150 mg **
    Proprietary enzyme blend of: 45000 HUT ** 45000 HUT **
    Protease (from Aspergillus mellus)
    Protease (from Aspergillus oryzae)
    Protease (from Aspergillus niger)
    Peptidase (from Aspergillus oryzae)

    I use a combination of MST Enzy-M (for the herba-soothe complex), and NOW's Protein Digest and Super Enzymes, depending on the meal.

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    wow 75 to 80g of fiber a day is an awful lot bro. IME anything approaching 40 plus starts to have the opposite effect of what it's supposed to, if you catch my drift.

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    Originally Posted by rxp1997 View Post
    NOW has several, including Protein Digest

    BioCore Edge 150 mg ** 150 mg **
    Proprietary enzyme blend of: 45000 HUT ** 45000 HUT **
    Protease (from Aspergillus mellus)
    Protease (from Aspergillus oryzae)
    Protease (from Aspergillus niger)
    Peptidase (from Aspergillus oryzae)


    I use a combination of MST Enzy-M (for the herba-soothe complex), and NOW's Protein Digest and Super Enzymes, depending on the meal.
    And it says take it with up to 25g of protein. So for me that takes 300, about to try 600...maybe, that's going to be a lot of caps.
    I'm on 100g of carbs/day...in other words, ATM, I am not a very happy person :/

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    Whacked -- what is your water intake like?

    Maybe you just need more water if protein is 45-50% of your diet. Give it a try
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    Thanks Natty

    I feel ike a damm camel AS IS @ 1-1.25 gallons water per day

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    Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Looks solid! Thanks buddy

    Digesta Matrix a complete digestive enzyme complex that has been formulated to help break down 30 grams of carbs, 15 grams of protein, and 15 grams of fat (Breakdowns are based on a one capsule dosage) . The naturally occurring ingredients in Digesta Matrix help ensure the necessary breakdown of macronutrients in your body. You’ve been training hard and eating properly; now take your health to another level with Ruthless Supplement’s Digesta Matrix.
    Amylase (known for breaking down [complex] starch into [simple] sugars), lipase (known for the transporting and processing of dietary lipids), and cellulase (a key enzyme in the hydrolysis of cellulose) are just a few of the powerful enzymes included in Digesta Matrix’s complex. With such dominant ingredients, you can rest assure that Digesta Matrix has all the building blocks of a legitimate digestive enzyme complex. Take one or two capsules at the beginning of each meal and let Digesta Matrix do the rest of the work.
    Supplement Facts
    Serving Size 1 Capsule
    Amount Per Serving
    Protease 1 20,000 HUT*
    Protease 2 4,000 HUT*
    Acid Stable Protease 100 SAPU*
    Amylase 5,000 DU*
    Lipase 1,250 FIP*
    Cellulase 500 CU*
    Glucoamylase 50 AGU*
    Invertase 10 SU*
    Catalase 50 BU*
    AGS a-Galactosidase 50 Galu*
    Beta-Glucanase 65 BGU*
    Pactinase 1,500 Ajdu*
    Xylanase 125 Xu*
    Phytase 10 Pu*
    Hemicellulase 750 Hcu*
    Lactase 500 ALU*
    Bromelain 500,000 PU*
    Papain 500,000 PU*
    *Daily Value not established.
    That looks pretty good. Add in a probiotic/prebiotic and your gut will be good to go.
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    Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    That looks pretty good. Add in a probiotic/prebiotic and your gut will be good to go.
    The stack with digestive enzymes along with a probiotic would be optimal for sure
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    Already on a probiotic. Thanks agaian fellas.

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    NOW Super Enzymes works great for me
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