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    Best supps/enzymes for protein-specific digestion


    No clue why but too much meat = constipation.

    I switched over to shakes to compensate for protrein needs but that's a bandaid on this problem.

    Anything over ~200 grams lately and I'm locked up (but only when MEAT is consumed) - bizarre.

    Fiber (lots!) and water (gallon+) intake are fine.

    Magnesium at night, has provided no help.

    NOT looking for a laxative!

    I'm leaning towards proteolytic enzymes (proteases)?

    Protein is about 45-50% of my diet if anyone needs to know with the fat/carbs being 25% and 25%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    No clue why but too much meat = constipation.I switched over to shakes to compensate for protrein needs but that's a bandaid on this problem.Anything over ~200 grams lately and I'm locked up (but only when MEAT is consumed) - bizarre.Fiber (lots!) and water (gallon+) intake are fine.Magnesium at night, has provided no help. NOT looking for a laxative!I'm leaning towards proteolytic enzymes (proteases)?Protein is about 45-50% of my diet if anyone needs to know with the fat/carbs being 25% and 25%.
    NOW or Solaray make a digestive enzyme complex that has high protease content. Gut Health looks good too
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    What is your idea of 'lots' of fiber? 35g+ and is it evenly spaced out throughout the day or a lot at once?

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    Why so much protein in your diet? Seems like a waste of resources to me @ 50%
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    NOW or Solaray make a digestive enzyme complex that has high protease content. Gut Health looks good too
    Thanks Natty

    Quote Originally Posted by SilentBob187 View Post
    What is your idea of 'lots' of fiber? 35g+ and is it evenly spaced out throughout the day or a lot at once?

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    Why so much protein in your diet? Seems like a waste of resources to me @ 50%
    As crazy as it sounds, I easily get in 60-75+ grams a day EASY. I am a cyclical low carber and I eat a ton of food that are designed to be high fiber in lieu of the carbs to make me sane. Very high fiber tortillas (Joseph's Bakery), Tons of almonds daily (I cant stop! lol), zero carb cookies (Brand: Yes to cookies), and a TON of fibrous veggies (broccoli/green beans/spinach) daily @ 3 diff meals.

    Normally, Im a pooping machine.

    As far as your question regarding why 50%. While I tend to agree that for most, it would seem excessive, but for me, it's the only way to remain lean. Carbs and me just don't fare well. Then, when I eat TOO many fats, I get a little chunky as well. This ratio seems to work best for me.
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    It sounds like you're getting a lot of junk fiber, but your diet also sounds messed up. 50% of caloric intake should not come from protein. How many grams per day are we talking here?
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    I know RLS just released a digestive enzyme matrix that looks promising for the types of issue you are having. I haven't used it but it looks like something worth checking out that may help you.

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    Looks solid! Thanks buddy

    Digesta Matrix a complete digestive enzyme complex that has been formulated to help break down 30 grams of carbs, 15 grams of protein, and 15 grams of fat (Breakdowns are based on a one capsule dosage) . The naturally occurring ingredients in Digesta Matrix help ensure the necessary breakdown of macronutrients in your body. You’ve been training hard and eating properly; now take your health to another level with Ruthless Supplement’s Digesta Matrix.
    Amylase (known for breaking down [complex] starch into [simple] sugars), lipase (known for the transporting and processing of dietary lipids), and cellulase (a key enzyme in the hydrolysis of cellulose) are just a few of the powerful enzymes included in Digesta Matrix’s complex. With such dominant ingredients, you can rest assure that Digesta Matrix has all the building blocks of a legitimate digestive enzyme complex. Take one or two capsules at the beginning of each meal and let Digesta Matrix do the rest of the work.
    Supplement Facts
    Serving Size 1 Capsule
    Amount Per Serving
    Protease 1 20,000 HUT*
    Protease 2 4,000 HUT*
    Acid Stable Protease 100 SAPU*
    Amylase 5,000 DU*
    Lipase 1,250 FIP*
    Cellulase 500 CU*
    Glucoamylase 50 AGU*
    Invertase 10 SU*
    Catalase 50 BU*
    AGS a-Galactosidase 50 Galu*
    Beta-Glucanase 65 BGU*
    Pactinase 1,500 Ajdu*
    Xylanase 125 Xu*
    Phytase 10 Pu*
    Hemicellulase 750 Hcu*
    Lactase 500 ALU*
    Bromelain 500,000 PU*
    Papain 500,000 PU*
    *Daily Value not established.



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    I know RLS just released a digestive enzyme matrix that looks promising for the types of issue you are having. I haven't used it but it looks like something worth checking out that may help you.

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    I just got the Digesta Matrix in the mail but I haven't tried it yet. I read a lot on it and it semmed like a very solid product...hence the reason why I ordered it lol.

    I don't see what would the problem be if 50% of your calories came from protein intake.
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    If you decide to go with that I'd like to hear what you think. I don't think having 50% of your macros as protein is necessarily a problem. I do it all the time with low Cal/low Carb days and never have issues so I dont think that would be giving you the problems
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock13 View Post
    If you decide to go with that I'd like to hear what you think. I don't think having 50% of your macros as protein is necessarily a problem. I do it all the time with low Cal/low Carb days and never have issues so I dont think that would be giving you the problems
    Hey Rick the product says it has
    Protease 1 20,000 HUT*
    Protease 2 4,000 HUT*
    I thought there was only one protease for protein absorption. Which ones of those are for protein absorption?
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    NOW has several, including Protein Digest

    BioCore Edge 150 mg ** 150 mg **
    Proprietary enzyme blend of: 45000 HUT ** 45000 HUT **
    Protease (from Aspergillus mellus)
    Protease (from Aspergillus oryzae)
    Protease (from Aspergillus niger)
    Peptidase (from Aspergillus oryzae)

    I use a combination of MST Enzy-M (for the herba-soothe complex), and NOW's Protein Digest and Super Enzymes, depending on the meal.
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    wow 75 to 80g of fiber a day is an awful lot bro. IME anything approaching 40 plus starts to have the opposite effect of what it's supposed to, if you catch my drift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rxp1997 View Post
    NOW has several, including Protein Digest

    BioCore Edge 150 mg ** 150 mg **
    Proprietary enzyme blend of: 45000 HUT ** 45000 HUT **
    Protease (from Aspergillus mellus)
    Protease (from Aspergillus oryzae)
    Protease (from Aspergillus niger)
    Peptidase (from Aspergillus oryzae)


    I use a combination of MST Enzy-M (for the herba-soothe complex), and NOW's Protein Digest and Super Enzymes, depending on the meal.
    And it says take it with up to 25g of protein. So for me that takes 300, about to try 600...maybe, that's going to be a lot of caps.
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    Whacked -- what is your water intake like?

    Maybe you just need more water if protein is 45-50% of your diet. Give it a try
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    Thanks Natty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Looks solid! Thanks buddy

    Digesta Matrix a complete digestive enzyme complex that has been formulated to help break down 30 grams of carbs, 15 grams of protein, and 15 grams of fat (Breakdowns are based on a one capsule dosage) . The naturally occurring ingredients in Digesta Matrix help ensure the necessary breakdown of macronutrients in your body. You’ve been training hard and eating properly; now take your health to another level with Ruthless Supplement’s Digesta Matrix.
    Amylase (known for breaking down [complex] starch into [simple] sugars), lipase (known for the transporting and processing of dietary lipids), and cellulase (a key enzyme in the hydrolysis of cellulose) are just a few of the powerful enzymes included in Digesta Matrix’s complex. With such dominant ingredients, you can rest assure that Digesta Matrix has all the building blocks of a legitimate digestive enzyme complex. Take one or two capsules at the beginning of each meal and let Digesta Matrix do the rest of the work.
    Supplement Facts
    Serving Size 1 Capsule
    Amount Per Serving
    Protease 1 20,000 HUT*
    Protease 2 4,000 HUT*
    Acid Stable Protease 100 SAPU*
    Amylase 5,000 DU*
    Lipase 1,250 FIP*
    Cellulase 500 CU*
    Glucoamylase 50 AGU*
    Invertase 10 SU*
    Catalase 50 BU*
    AGS a-Galactosidase 50 Galu*
    Beta-Glucanase 65 BGU*
    Pactinase 1,500 Ajdu*
    Xylanase 125 Xu*
    Phytase 10 Pu*
    Hemicellulase 750 Hcu*
    Lactase 500 ALU*
    Bromelain 500,000 PU*
    Papain 500,000 PU*
    *Daily Value not established.
    That looks pretty good. Add in a probiotic/prebiotic and your gut will be good to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    That looks pretty good. Add in a probiotic/prebiotic and your gut will be good to go.
    The stack with digestive enzymes along with a probiotic would be optimal for sure
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    Already on a probiotic. Thanks agaian fellas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicFox View Post
    NOW Super Enzymes works great for me
    I second that. I think it should be a staple. Metamucil would be my second reccomendation. Psyllium husk is a great source of fiber to flush you out. Often bread fibers and vegetables will give you gas and alot of bloating. The enzymes help the digestion and the Psyllium husk flushes it all out. Perfect combination.
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    when do you guys usually take these supps? Cause if I want to hit 300+ grams of protein then that would be a lot of caps
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    Right before you eat but why would you want to eat 300 grams of protein? What's your weight?
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    Digesta Matrix is the way to go.
    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Looks solid! Thanks buddy Digesta Matrix a complete digestive enzyme complex that has been formulated to help break down 30 grams of carbs, 15 grams of protein, and 15 grams of fat (Breakdowns are based on a one capsule dosage) . The naturally occurring ingredients in Digesta Matrix help ensure the necessary breakdown of macronutrients in your body. You’ve been training hard and eating properly; now take your health to another level with Ruthless Supplement’s Digesta Matrix. Amylase (known for breaking down [complex] starch into [simple] sugars), lipase (known for the transporting and processing of dietary lipids), and cellulase (a key enzyme in the hydrolysis of cellulose) are just a few of the powerful enzymes included in Digesta Matrix’s complex. With such dominant ingredients, you can rest assure that Digesta Matrix has all the building blocks of a legitimate digestive enzyme complex. Take one or two capsules at the beginning of each meal and let Digesta Matrix do the rest of the work.Supplement FactsServing Size 1 CapsuleAmount Per ServingProtease 1 20,000 HUT*Protease 2 4,000 HUT*Acid Stable Protease 100 SAPU*Amylase 5,000 DU*Lipase 1,250 FIP*Cellulase 500 CU*Glucoamylase 50 AGU*Invertase 10 SU*Catalase 50 BU*AGS a-Galactosidase 50 Galu*Beta-Glucanase 65 BGU*Pactinase 1,500 Ajdu*Xylanase 125 Xu*Phytase 10 Pu*Hemicellulase 750 Hcu*Lactase 500 ALU*Bromelain 500,000 PU*Papain 500,000 PU**Daily Value not established.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayJo View Post
    Digesta Matrix is the way to go.
    It does look promising...
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    The highest and most balanced enzyme formulas are Now Digest Platinum and Garden of Life Omega-Zyme. More expensive, but also better values. 80,000 units of protease per cap and then 2 or three other ph proteases. Plus like 20 other enzymes contained within. I had put in a request awhile back but haven't seen them hit the planet yet. Now's is just the enzymes and GOL adds trace minerals, ginger and curcumin. Also 4-5000 fip of Lipase.
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    I really like Myogenix Pro Fiber. It's unflavored and can be mixed into anything and also has both probiotics and digestive enzymes. It's pretty cheap too.
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    I would guess that the increased gluten is causing extra inflammation in the intestinal tract. Those "low carb" products are loaded with gluten to keep carbs down and make them more flexible. You may have a gluten intolerance and I would look at that before digestive enzymes.
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    I didn't know the low carb products have extra gluten? How can you tell, is there some way to spot it?

    I'm thinking about getting the digestive enzymes regardless because with Intermittent Fasting I have these huge protein heavy meals to break fast, so it'd be nice to digest as much as possible!
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    I just got my digestive enzymes in from swanson. I got a full-spectrum one and a more standard type one. The difference in my digestion is incredible and I'm mad at myself for not taking enzymes for so long. Along with the metamucil bowel movements are fast, smooth and easy. Gas has gone down incredibly which was my biggest issue.
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    So is it gas and stools that have the greatest impact from the enzymes?
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    I would imagine it has a huge impact on your immune system as well since you now are actually digesting nutrients properly. I haven't noticed such effects from pre or probiotics.
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    You taking with EACH meal? IF so, how many?

    There is some conflicting data regarding these

    Some say that there is no problem taking these with each meal, actually encouraging it for complete digestion (especially considering all the processed and cooked meat we eat) as it allows for MORE nutrient uptake - while others are claiming it will have a detrimental effect on natty enzyme production (shutting it off)

    I tend to side with the former b/c these are NOT hormones.


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    I just got my digestive enzymes in from swanson. I got a full-spectrum one and a more standard type one. The difference in my digestion is incredible and I'm mad at myself for not taking enzymes for so long. Along with the metamucil bowel movements are fast, smooth and easy. Gas has gone down incredibly which was my biggest issue.
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    Nice OBJECTIVE article and perspective : http://www.livestrong.com/article/29...stive-enzymes/
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    Sadly, I was unable to extract the conclusion from this ambiguosly written Physiology report

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    http://physrev.physiology.org/content/82/1/1.full
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Sadly, I was unable to extract the conclusion from this ambiguosly written Physiology report

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    http://physrev.physiology.org/content/82/1/1.full
    The authors' conclusions are that digestive enzymes are conserved and reabsorbed as whole proteins rather than being hydrolyzed in the gut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja
    It sounds like you're getting a lot of junk fiber, but your diet also sounds messed up. 50% of caloric intake should not come from protein. How many grams per day are we talking here?
    50% from protein is no big deal, I do it when I am cutting and I am very regular..but I eat loads of veggies, almost a pound of cooked broccoli and asparagus each along with spinach and a tomato and a half red pepper a day. I attribute my regularity to that...
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    Ditto here

    I throw one of those 1 lb bags in the microwave PER meal

    Green beans

    Broccoli

    etc

    Im a lean meats, greens and healthy fats guy

    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa View Post
    50% from protein is no big deal, I do it when I am cutting and I am very regular..but I eat loads of veggies, almost a pound of cooked broccoli and asparagus each along with spinach and a tomato and a half red pepper a day. I attribute my regularity to that...
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