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  1. Question questions on ephedra and how to use it without burning muscle mass


    A friend at the gym says he's got some extra ephedra and knows where to get more. Seing as how I am on recomp I've been considering however maintaing and gaining muscle are way more important to me than looking shredded. Any tips on how I should take it and what I can do to prevent any and all muscle loss? My goal is mainly just to get my sixpack back (I know how vague it sounds)


  2. Well, your friend may be trying to rip you off. I have some extra ephedra and I do know where to get more as well, CVS or Riteaid...

    Being sold under Bronkaid. And if your state has banished it from being sold on the drugstores you may still purchase it online from states that still sell it. Just a thought there on the sourcing of ephedra.

    The muscle loss is going to happen regardless, how big of a muscle loss is going to be dependent on your nutrition. Have a lot of protein first of all. 1.5g per lb is a good way to think. Eat often. Don't go in too big of a deficit for calories. Focus on your nutrition and just use the ephedra as a support method.
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  3. First, EC is terrific for a recomp. It is actually muscle-sparing due to its MOA, so if anything, you will have to worry LESS about muscle loss. Just make sure this is ephedrine and not ephedra. Also, as said above, you can just buy bronkaid for dirt cheap.

    I disagree with the above poster. If you're eating at maintenance for your recomp, muscle loss is not really going to happen, ESPECIALLY when using ephedrine. No need to up the protein to 1.5g/lb...that's more for a 500+ caloric deficit.
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  4. I was eating 5k cals during bulk and put on a lot of fat. I drop to around 3k but I stil eat 1.5 g per lb regardless. And was planning on keeping my diet this way without any deficit. Also my friend says he is selling me ECA stack already put together into capsules at 50$ a bottle for 30 caps. And I'm planning on doing for a short period of time. Also I'm taking neovar recomped creatine, tonalin cla, and rpn eviscerate. Are those ok to continue taking? Also would the brokaid be more effective than the eca stack or should I still combine it with caffeine and aspirin?

  5. Also should I continue doing my hiit two days a week or should I cut it down?

  6. Quote Originally Posted by bi0hazurd View Post
    Also should I continue doing my hiit two days a week or should I cut it down?
    Depends on your goals and how your body is responding. Like was said, ephedrine will actually help prevent muscle loss
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  7. At my store Bronkaid is 15 bucks for 60 tabs, and after prolonged use i drop to 2 doses per day to keep up the thermogenic effects. You can buy a bottle of SNS caffeine pills dirt cheap, like 5 bucks. The caffeine pills you buy at CVS or Wal Mart are horribly over priced. I don't typically include aspirin in my EC stack, but for some it can be beneficial. So to conclude: your buddy is most likely ripping you off.

  8. Is bronkaid exactly like ephedrine? And does it sell in cvs in Florida?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by bi0hazurd View Post
    Is bronkaid exactly like ephedrine? And does it sell in cvs in Florida?
    It is ephedrine sulfate with a low dose expectorant. So low that at 3 doses a day for months, it shouldnt cause any issues. I guess CVS sells it in FL.
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  10. Also I've heard of something called primatene is that as effectie as bronkaid?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by bi0hazurd View Post
    Also I've heard of something called primatene is that as effectie as bronkaid?
    Same deal. Just go with whats cheaper. Ephedrine HCl = Ephedrine Sulfate for our purposes (though not mg for mg so dont get this misconstrued).
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  12. The primatene and brokaid you can get at CVS or Wal-Greens in FL they just keep it behind the pharmacy counter and you have to swipe your ID card when you buy it

  13. Can ephedrine be taken alongside what I am currently using? The neovar creatine and tonalin and eviscerate?

  14. Yes it can.

  15. I think I'm gonna go get the primatene since walgreens is in front of my house. I'm gonna go ahead and buy some caffeine pills from my vitamin shoppe and then I just take them at the same time right?

  16. You can get the bronkaid from wal-greens as well, take 1 tab of the ephedrine alongside 1 tab of the caffeine which you should be able to purchase at wal-greens as well, so dosing should be 25mg/200mg, do not go over that amount and you can do it up to 3 times daily. I would recommend you assess your tolerance before trying to do it 3 times a day.

  17. Do I have to add the aspirin?

  18. You don't need to, you can run your stack w/o it completely or maybe take an aspirin here and there. Up to you.

  19. Will it be less effective without aspirin? And also how long should I stack?

  20. No it wil not be any less effective w/o the aspirin and i wouldnt run it longer than 4-6 weeks, i ran it for 5 weeks with a week break in the middle to clean out the system about a month ago and I added EGCG and had some good results from it.

  21. Oh! I was only gonna do it for 2 weeks. But ill do it for 4 if that's better. And I was planning on just doing it as a one time thing to shred down and then maintaining that on my own

  22. Also is ephedrine hcl more effective then ephedrine sulfate?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by bi0hazurd View Post
    Also is ephedrine hcl more effective then ephedrine sulfate?
    no. Just get 1.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by bi0hazurd View Post
    Oh! I was only gonna do it for 2 weeks. But ill do it for 4 if that's better. And I was planning on just doing it as a one time thing to shred down and then maintaining that on my own
    I would do 2 weeks on, take a week off and 2 weeks on again, the difference between the two is extremely small, like mr cooper said pick 1 of them and go with it, i choose the brokaid because 1 tab has 25 mg so its easier to take.

  25. Also make sure that your get your meal plan in, this stack cut my appetite down quite a bit so sometimes i had to force myself to eat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bi0hazurd View Post
    maintaing and gaining muscle are way more important to me than looking shredded...... My goal is mainly just to get my sixpack back
    I'm not sure how gaining and maintaining muscle is more important than looking shredded but getting your sixpack back is your goal. That is looking shredded.
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by Baraketh View Post
    I would do 2 weeks on, take a week off and 2 weeks on again, the difference between the two is extremely small, like mr cooper said pick 1 of them and go with it, i choose the brokaid because 1 tab has 25 mg so its easier to take.
    Ideally you want chronic stimulation, so 2 on 2 off isnt a good idea. Try 4-8 weeks on, 2 off.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Ideally you want chronic stimulation, so 2 on 2 off isnt a good idea. Try 4-8 weeks on, 2 off.
    Yea i went off some research i did which indicated that the ephedrine hits the beta-2's the same way clen does so that led me to dose it like that, i got some nice results from it, next time i might give the 4 weeks on straight a shot to see how it differs.

  29. Check out Ephedrine's actions on the theorized beta-3 receptors .
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  30. Ok so bronkaid it is. And 2 weeks on 1 week off or 4 weeks continuous?

  31. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Check out Ephedrine's actions on the theorized beta-3 receptors .
    You ever read 'Fat Management: The Thermogenic Factor' ? Good read...very PRO ephedrine...
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  32. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Check out Ephedrine's actions on the theorized beta-3 receptors .
    Will do sir!

  33. Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    You ever read 'Fat Management: The Thermogenic Factor' ? Good read...very PRO ephedrine...
    No i haven't but i will check this out also, always willing to learn more, thanks for the info.

  34. Quote Originally Posted by bi0hazurd View Post
    Ok so bronkaid it is. And 2 weeks on 1 week off or 4 weeks continuous?
    4 weeks continuous
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  35. I bought the bronkaid at 25mg and caffeine tabs at 200mg. How many times a day should I dose this in order to cut fat while still making gains in the gym? And ill be using a 4 week cycle and then if I've made enough progress I plan to not use it again

  36. Quote Originally Posted by bi0hazurd View Post
    I bought the bronkaid at 25mg and caffeine tabs at 200mg. How many times a day should I dose this in order to cut fat while still making gains in the gym? And ill be using a 4 week cycle and then if I've made enough progress I plan to not use it again
    As little as 12.5/100mg twice a day.

  37. Crap... I bought the 25mg one on purpose because I thought it was 25/200

  38. Quote Originally Posted by bi0hazurd View Post
    Crap... I bought the 25mg one on purpose because I thought it was 25/200
    Thats fine, thats the common protocol. You can run that 2 to 3 times a day. You can start lower doses to asses tolerance.

    The low dose protocol works, and you come across with less sides. Typical cycle can be 3 months or more. Stim effect not needed to exibit lypolisis.

  39. Also I read that ephedrine constricts the blood vessels in the body wouldn't that be harmful towards pumps in the gym?

  40. Quote Originally Posted by bi0hazurd View Post
    Also I read that ephedrine constricts the blood vessels in the body wouldn't that be harmful towards pumps in the gym?
    Never noticed that. Its probably negligible when actually training.
  

  
 

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