A pw that works as good as the 1,3dimeth stuff, without such a crash.

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    A pw that works as good as the 1,3dimeth stuff, without such a crash.


    Dose it exist?

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    I have yet to find a stim i like as much as 1,3.
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    Take high dose methyl b12 with it u will not crash
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    Just get more sleep and stop using "fake energy". Real energy is much much better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Just get more sleep and stop using "fake energy". Real energy is much much better.
    Thats assuming he does not already get enough sleep. Excess sleep can be worse on energy levels than when deprived. He asked if anything worked as well as 1,3d without the crash, not how to obtain optimum energy levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeppJarrod View Post
    Thats assuming he does not already get enough sleep. Excess sleep can be worse on energy levels than when deprived. He asked if anything worked as well as 1,3d without the crash, not how to obtain optimum energy levels.
    Thankyou. I appreciate the advice, but Ive been living a fitness lifestyle since I was 15. I get enough sleep when I can but I still wanna have fun with supplements. I will admit however that Im lookng for something more on the healthy side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    Dose it exist?
    I agree there needs to be a new pre-workout with no 1'3 dime that gives that kind of energy, I def feel Caffeine/Sulbutiamine combo is the best for energy.




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    I haven't found anything I like as much ad 1,3 dimeth....but I don't experience any crash
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    Thankyou. I appreciate the advice, but Ive been living a fitness lifestyle since I was 15. I get enough sleep when I can but I still wanna have fun with supplements. I will admit however that Im lookng for something more on the healthy side.

    Thanks Jansen!
    Im with ya. I eat right, sleep the best I can, and keep stress to a minimum for maximum recovery. That being said, I fully enjoy taking advantage of supplements. For the sake of this thread, I will admit that 1,3d is an awesome tool to bring out the competitive edge in the gym. Probably not the healthiest of supps, but hey, pick your poison. Yohimbe works "ok" but much less mental stimulation than 1,3d. Black coffee is actually LOADED with antioxidants, and a much healthier alternative. I would be interested to hear when you find your fav stim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    Dose it exist?
    I don't get a crash from 1,3-dimeth. And yes, there are preworkout products out there without 1,3-dimeth that are as good, if not better, IMO - one is Assault (Suma Root formulation).

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    I suppose the crash is dependant on dosing. Jack3d never gave me jitters or crash but
    1MR made me fly for hours untill I burnt out. Have no idea the dosage in either, and do not have experience with bulk.
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    I would PM BigT or Southpaw23.

    I haven't tried many stimulants that are sold in America and these guys seem to have taken pretty much everything. I have asked them both for recommendations and comparisons when I am looking at branded products rather than bulk supplies which I tend to buy.

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    Maximize v2 has a great dose of 1,3 dimethyl and is guaranteed to be "crash" free....seriously. You will not crash, and will have all the benefits of 1,3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    Maximize v2 has a great dose of 1,3 dimethyl and is guaranteed to be "crash" free....seriously. You will not crash, and will have all the benefits of 1,3.
    I tried the maximize sample and yes, you do not crash as you would with some others
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    Maximize v2 has a great dose of 1,3 dimethyl and is guaranteed to be "crash" free....seriously. You will not crash, and will have all the benefits of 1,3.
    I need to get a tub of this, I tried a couple samples but just wasn't enough to see how it works. Def on my to do list.
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    Ive crashed hard on Maximize. Like keep me away from sharp objects hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdong View Post
    Ive crashed hard on Maximize. Like keep me away from sharp objects hard.
    My first run with rx6 was unpleasant after a long workout.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robboe View Post
    Does it exist? It will in a few months!
    You're such a bloody tease.

    OP, look into Lit-Up. It has a very good stim component and is geranium free. Superpump max is also a very good pre without 1,3.
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    All I know is that the I have used PowerChews and there has been no evident crash with a nice amount of energy along a sweet thermogenic efft, and NO jitters whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicFox View Post
    I tried the maximize sample and yes, you do not crash as you would with some others
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    Best pre-WO = Testosterone no ester + Dbol blend lol

    ...I haven't tried any non-stim pre-WO's that delivers anywhere close to what a 1,3 dim product does
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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    Best pre-WO = Testosterone no ester + Dbol blend lol

    ...I haven't tried any non-stim pre-WO's that delivers anywhere close to what a 1,3 dim product does
    Thats because non-stims dont contain stims.

    You wont come close to the energy of a 1,3. Thats not why you take non-stim pre's tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
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    ...I haven't tried any non-stim pre-WO's that delivers anywhere close to what a 1,3 dim product does
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powercage View Post
    Thats because non-stims dont contain stims.

    You wont come close to the energy of a 1,3. Thats not why you take non-stim pre's tho
    lol I know... just answering OP's question

    Lowering dose and frequency of use with the 1,3 will lower side effects
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    I try to limit my 1,3 workouts to no more then 2 a week. Usually just one.


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    lol I know... just answering OP's question

    Lowering dose and frequency of use with the 1,3 will lower side effects
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